Rockwell price

[Double-a]

Just looken for an opionion.

There is a place out here in Akron that sells MV's.
I can get a set of Rockwells (front and rear, not two fronts) for $1,100. Boot was torn on one side, $22 for a new zipper boot.
Think that is to much to pay? They are open diff by the way.

I know they can be had cheaper in other ways, Ebay for example, but I wont have to ship these, place is 20 minutes from me.

I cant find front 60's out here for less than a grand.

[Sierra Valley]

Just looken for an opionion.

There is a place out here in Akron that sells MV's.
I can get a set of Rockwells (front and rear, not two fronts) for $1,100. Boot was torn on one side, $22 for a new zipper boot.
Think that is to much to pay? They are open diff by the way.

I know they can be had cheaper in other ways, Ebay for example, but I wont have to ship these, place is 20 minutes from me.

I cant find front 60's out here for less than a grand.

Your not going to get a front 60 out for much less than a grand! One on craigs list this morning for $900 with 4.56 gears in Modesto. Thats cheapest I've seen them

[Double-a]

Your not going to get a front 60 out for much less than a grand! One on craigs list this morning for $900 with 4.56 gears in Modesto. Thats cheapest I've seen them

so $1,100 for a pair or Rockwells is a decent price?

[Ford_KTM]

I have heard of people getting them for 800 but, I dont think thats a bad price....

[Sierra Valley]

so $1,100 for a pair or Rockwells is a decent price?

Im not as familiar with the rockwell pricing, but Im sure as with all axles theres always a better deal somewhere.

I believe I have heard on this board of $800 somewhere. Im sure rockwell guys will pipe up.

[dane]

so $1,100 for a pair or Rockwells is a decent price?

You dont have to pull them for $1100.00 do you. Those axles are such a pain in the ass to move around, I cant imagine having to get them out from under a truck. If they are just sittin there then $1100.00 seems fair, I have seen them cheaper and more expensive, just depends on the time and place.

Dane

[Double-a]

the drums are already pulled and the axles are sitten on a pallet
Guys will drive them right up on my trailer for me.

I am sure somewhere someone is giving a set of these things away. I guess I am kinda asking what the going rate is.
I know how it always is, you pay x amount of dollars and then your buddies say "Shit dummy, you should have went here, they sell them for half that". I just dont want this to be another one of my ill fated impulse buys.

Shit, I dont even have 1100 right now.

[mikeb]

1100 is decent since the drums are removed, and they are on a pallet. I paid 600 but it took a couple months to find them both. I did end up with a seal kit and 8 stock tires and wheels though:Smile: ::Big Grin:

[Ford_KTM]

1100 is decent since the drums are removed, and they are on a pallet. I paid 600 but it took a couple months to find them both. I did end up with a seal kit and 8 stock tires and wheels though:Smile: ::Big Grin:

Well arn't you a bad ass...JK...Good work... I always bargin the shit out of axles...I'm just jealous. Lets see some pics of your rig...How much r u into it....Just curious..

[Double-a]

Started life as a 74 half ton 350/350/203 chevy.
Sits now as a 14FF/D44/454/400/part time 203 on 35's.

As one would expect I break a lot of axle shafts and even though I am only on 35's, I go through a steering box every other trip out, and the frame is getting to the point where the box wants to fall out.

So I want to put on the Rockwells with full hydro steering. Kill two birds with one stone, no more broken axles and no more steering issues with broken boxes.

It has a lot of body damage. At one point the truck was perfectly straight and even had a purdy grill on it. Wheelen in Ohio amongst the trees is difficult on a full size. No more grill, headlights, fenders are pretty bent up, cab is bent up pretty good, bed is gone.

I have contimplated just using a 60 in the front and saving my self a lot of trouble rebuilding my entire suspension but 1. What fun would that be and 2. a 60 alone will cost a grand. Bisides, Rockwells look cool too

[dane]

Just make sure you shave them bitches, I diff drag on so much shit I have stopped airing down. It doesnt help that I cant drive to save my life!!

Dane

[Double-a]

what do you think of the posion spider http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/154_0305_ton_11_z.jpg
I just cant seem to find them on his website

How do you do fluid changes?
Pull the pumpkin?

[MR.ROCKAPE]

what do you think of the posion spider http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/154_0305_ton_11_z.jpg
I just cant seem to find them on his website

How do you do fluid changes?
Pull the pumpkin?

HERE!!!

http://www.spydercustoms.com/Skids/deuce_skids.htm

BUT $224 EACH???SEEMS KINDA EXPENSIVE!!!!I SAW A THREAD RECENTLY IN THE GENERAL SECTION ON PIRATE WHERE SOMEONE JUST CUT OFF THE BOTTOM PART OF THE BOWL AND FLAT PLATED IT!!!!LOOKED LIKE IT WORKED BETTER THAN $224 AN END!!!

[dane]

I think that all of the premade diff pans are waaayyy overpriced. You can make your own back woods style by just cutting a 7-8" hole in the bottom of the pan and flat plating it. It saves a bunch of room off the bull gear. If you want to shave over the bearing caps its more involved, but can be done for a hell of a lot less than $200.00. There is a rockwell thread on the pirate board that shows how to do it. For fluid changes you get an oil vacuum from pepboys and suck the oil out thru the fill hole. You dont wanna pull that diff any more than you have to.

Dane

[Double-a]

There is a rockwell thread on the pirate board that shows how to do it. Dane

Pirate seems to be down right now

[MR.ROCKAPE]

For fluid changes you get an oil vacuum from pepboys and suck the oil out thru the fill hole. You dont wanna pull that diff any more than you have to.

Dane

OR JUST HIRE KONRAD.....ITS AMAZING WHAT HE WILL DO FOR A DOLLA!!!(OR HOW ILL BRING MY PIMP HAND DOWN ON HIM IF HE DOESNT!!!)

[Double-a]

Well I know I am going to be footen beer prices to get you guys down to Silver Springs to set up my links for me when I get back. And I am going to be needing a cage too, so there will be more beer/stripper money I am out!
I wont be able to afford to hire someone to do simple gear fluid change too lol.

[dane]

Shit, that kid dont even need a dolla, just let him know he can be your right seat bitch for a trip and his rigless ass will suck the fluid out of anything you want!!

Dane

[dane]

Well I know I am going to be footen beer prices to get you guys down to Silver Springs to set up my links for me when I get back. And I am going to be needing a cage too, so there will be more beer/stripper money I am out!
I wont be able to afford to hire someone to do simple gear fluid change too lol.

For the link setup I am going all BTF brackets, I will shoot some pics as we get into it, it makes it dummy proof so I will probably find a way to mess it up!!

Dane

[MR.ROCKAPE]

For the link setup I am going all BTF brackets, I will shoot some pics as we get into it, it makes it dummy proof so I will probably find a way to mess it up!!

Dane

HOW MUCH $$$ DID THOSE COST???I REMEMBER SEEING THEM ON PARROT4X4 BUT I DIDNT LIKE HOW THERE WAS NO TRIANGULATION ON THE UPPER LINKS!!!! MAYBE FOR THE FRONT IT SURE WOULD MAKE FOR A NICE FITMENT???ARE YOU GONNA LOWER YOUR TOY???LIKE 3-5 INCHES OF UP TRAVEL OR LESS???

[Double-a]

so you guys usen 20" duec wheels to wheel with, has to make tires expensive and where do you get bead locks. Or you just cutten the centers out of 16.5's (I guess 15's would work too but I have a shit pile of steely 16.5's lying around) and using those?

[dane]

I dont remember the cost, but it does triangluate the lowers and keeps the uppers straight. I believe its called and inverted 4-link. The toy will have approx 3" of uptravel. There is a pic of a toy on rockwells in the latest issue of some magazine that covered the indy truckfest that sits nice and low on rockwells and thats what Im shooting for.

Dane

[dane]

so you guys usen 20" duec wheels to wheel with, has to make tires expensive and where do you get bead locks. Or you just cutten the centers out of 16.5's (I guess 15's would work too but I have a shit pile of steely 16.5's lying around) and using those?

Dont use the stock deuce wheels, they are a split design thats a motherfucker to deal with. Get a hold of www.performancecryogenics.com out of lincoln california and get him to make you some recentered hummer rims so you can have the beadlock and a normal safe wheel.

Dane

[Ford_KTM]

Dont use the stock deuce wheels, they are a split design thats a motherfucker to deal with. Get a hold of www.performancecryogenics.com out of lincoln california and get him to make you some recentered hummer rims so you can have the beadlock and a normal safe wheel.

Dane

Not that USA6x6 puts out a better product, but they are a shit ton cheaper. Pretty much everyone runs the inverted 4 link with rocks because you can get the uppers across the center with that huge diif...Check out BTF's build page of that super lower TJ on 42's their doin... I'd send you a link, but its down right now.

[Ford_KTM]

Even a one link would be cool....

[Double-a]

alright...I gotta bite.
whats a one link

[UniBomber]

alright...I gotta bite.
whats a one link

1-link w/ panhard

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/tahoewheelers/Diegosjeep003.jpg

[Double-a]

Yea; that is what I saw on Pirate that I was trying to describe earlier.

Except the guys on pirate had them connected to the axle with heims and to the frame with a hitch ball.
see inside red circle.
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/9422/diegosjeep003cx8.jpg
How reliable is that?
and what kind of coils would one use?
Why go with a four link?
That looks just as good to me.
Seems like you would get great articulation and no axle hop.
Seems idiot proof to set up too. I mean it looks like even I could do that.

Although I do have some concerns about hitting the oil pan up front.
Might need a four link up front.

[mikeb]

Check out ballistic fab also. They have rockwell brackets for linking shit up.

http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Rockwell-specific_c_90-1.html
If you are going to have 1000+ lbs of unsprung weight do you really want it hanging from one link?


I flamed the centers out of all my stock 20's. Just in case I ever wanted to build a set of wheels. You can get blank wheel shells pretty cheap. I bought MRW's though.

[dane]

I dont really like the idea of coils, I know its more money but at $250 per corner for 18" travel air shocks I dont think you can go wrong.

Dane

[dane]

here is the link to the rockwell threat on pirate, its days of good info!!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313836

Dane

[Ford_KTM]

Yea; that is what I saw on Pirate that I was trying to describe earlier.

Except the guys on pirate had them connected to the axle with heims and to the frame with a hitch ball.
see inside red circle.
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/9422/diegosjeep003cx8.jpg
How reliable is that?
and what kind of coils would one use?
Why go with a four link?
That looks just as good to me.
Seems like you would get great articulation and no axle hop.
Seems idiot proof to set up too. I mean it looks like even I could do that.

Although I do have some concerns about hitting the oil pan up front.
Might need a four link up front.

I don't know if i'd use the whole grader ball idea...It kinda scares me...Go buy a quality chromo inch and a 1/4 hiem and I think you would be fine. This is a very cheap and effective way to build your rig. This way you dont have to by expensive tubing and added joints. Four links are ore effective becuase you can calculate out roll axis and other things in order to help certain things. Next, since this is on a truck, and there is no bed, I would use 4.5 RE fronts lift spring since they are 200 pounds per inch....if you were to use joints on the axle end, then you would need one upper in order to stop roll. For the front, I would do a 3 link with a panhard...Shocks are easy from there

[dane]

I just dont think I could trust my suspension to 1 joint or bolt or link. Maybe Im just being negative, but on a small buggy that seems great, on something with rockwells and at least 44's thats a hell of a lot of stress in one area.

Dane

[Ford_KTM]

I just dont think I could trust my suspension to 1 joint or bolt or link. Maybe Im just being negative, but on a small buggy that seems great, on something with rockwells and at least 44's thats a hell of a lot of stress in one area.

Dane

My concern would be with the U-bolt there, not the joint...I would make a plate and tap into the axle coming off the top...

[dane]

My concern would be with the U-bolt there, not the joint...I would make a plate and tap into the axle coming off the top...

Shit, I totally missed that, Im not impressed at all by the 1-link. It seems like a back woods way to do something which I am all about, but for a lightweight rig!!!

Dane

[Ford_KTM]

A trianglated 3-link would be my next suggestion for ease and price if you didn't like the one link...Don't get me wrong, I love my four link, but I wouldn't recomend doing one if you don't kno what your doing...There a lot about strategy...

[dane]

A trianglated 3-link would be my next suggestion for ease and price if you didn't like the one link...Don't get me wrong, I love my four link, but I wouldn't recomend doing one if you don't kno what your doing...There a lot about strategy...

Thats why I went with the BTF stuff. All the angles are already set and so is the vertical separation etc. I will post a build thread on here when I do it to let everyone know how everything comes together.

Dane

[Ford_KTM]

Thats why I went with the BTF stuff. All the angles are already set and so is the vertical separation etc. I will post a build thread on here when I do it to let everyone know how everything comes together.

Dane

This has kinda turned into a discussion between me and you, but I think he is trying to do it cheap, so that means limiting joints and cheap materials. I'd run weld a 3/4 inch plate to the top of the axle, put the 2 inch .250 wall on top of that, runs some bolts through it, or strap it, then just use one evo joint, with a 3/4 grade 8 and call it good. My .02. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-Joints/index.html

[Double-a]

okay where to begin.

I like the idea of the balistic stuff.
I spent hours going over that site last night.
Looks like a lot of good quality stuff for a decent price. Especially for me since I really have no idea how to set one up other than what I have read and seen.

I dont really like the idea of coils, I know its more money but at $250 per corner for 18" travel air shocks I dont think you can go wrong.
the only reason I said coils is I am familar with them and they seem to be a tried and tested method. I am not opposed to entertaining other ideas, although, a grand in shocks....is a bit much. That would be something I would have to contemplate for a while and save for.

The thread on Rockwells, I have that saved in my favs. I have read through it a few times but I seem to forget more than I retain. Forgive my idiotic questions. You guys are just so warm and inviting I cant help but type what ever idiotcy that pops in my feeble mind LMAO.

I don't know if i'd use the whole grader ball idea...It kinda scares me... It sorta scared me the first time I saw it on Pirate but then a lot of people started chiming in about it. I have not seen them in action. Which is why I was asking. Like was said. Seems like a lot of stress to be had on one particular piece, especially with Rockwells and a big block.
Next, since this is on a truck, and there is no bed, I would use 4.5 RE fronts lift spring since they are 200 pounds per inch....
Not really sure what your talking about there. 4.5" RF lift spring?

So for shits and giggles.
In your estimation. What would a four link cost to set up the right way? With a good imbreakable 4 link in the rear, maybe just go with some 52" springs up front. I always planed on either ditching the front fenders all together or at least pinching them in a lot. Help with stability.

[Ford_KTM]

The 4.5 RE spring are just Rubicon express TJ front lift coils...They have a compression rate of 200 pounds per inch. For the four link, I would estimate 110 for 2 "1.25" hiems, lowers....70 for the 7/8's uppers....60 for misallignment spacers, 60 for tube inserts considering you dont make your own....10 feet of 2 inch .250 wall is ~60...plus uppers, 60 for 1.5 .250 uppers...Brackets if you dont make your own ???100??? idk for sure....60 for 4 bushings and material....40 in bolts...200 in springs...100 in shocks making the grand total....760 give or take....

[Double-a]

the grand total....760 give or take....

Not quite as horrible as I thought.
I see the apeal of leaves!
Maybe leaves all the way around and some revolver shackles in the rear lol, should make for exciting hill decents.
J/K

[Ford_KTM]

I would strongly advice against the revolvers, cause I heard they unload and cause roll over...Everyone i have talked to hates them...Anyway, if you do go leaves, I strongly suggest a torque arm which will run you about prob about 100...

[Sierra Valley]

My buddy built this jeep and 1-link rear. Its connected with one big ass Heim Joint where you circled it red. Flex's great, and this was his first one he built. They might do the front like this eventually.

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/9422/diegosjeep003cx8.jpg

[Double-a]

I would strongly advice against the revolvers, cause I heard they unload and cause roll over...Everyone i have talked to hates them...Anyway, if you do go leaves, I strongly suggest a torque arm which will run you about prob about 100...


I was just screwen around about the revolvers. Even the company that makes them told me no. Said they would sell them but they figured I would die with them on my rig lol (I am paraphrasing by the way, they didnt actually say die).

If I go leaves in the front, I would have to do torque arms. I imagine that 6.72 gears with 44+ tires and a big block hook up pretty well, but I really like the idea of some sort of link system in the rear. Better for departure angles. I think in the front, aproach angles would be acceptable due to the size of the tires. I am not sure but I think 49" tires would be pretty close to the front fire wall if I move the axle forward an inch or two.

[Ford_KTM]

When you steer 49's, the always end up hitting stuff there so big....Plus, eventually with a big block you will end up breaking something unless you do the 2" 47 spline thing. Not to mention the rediculous sticker price for those 49's...Now some 44 inch boggers would be cool...

[Double-a]

big block will break rockwells on 49's?
It isnt over built or anything
Mild cam
no fuel injection, just the Holly 650 truck carb

I wasnt talking about IROK's or anything.
Just some cheapo military michilans, they arnt that bad.
But 44" boggers are good too.

[mikeb]

The worst axle wrap with front leaf sprung rockwells is under braking when using pinion brakes. Not under power like you would expect

[dane]

I think all in all I will be into my 4link $1500.00 for the front and $1500.00 for the rear. It seems steep, but I think FordKTM is a little low on some of the prices quoted. If I remember correctly the EVO inch and a quarters are like $80 for the joint along with no bung or misalignment spacers. I think all ways will work, but for gods sake do not leaf spring the front axle, I destroy springs every time out.

On a side note I have a front and rear bridge going over my axles now that I use for my antiwrap bars, but they could be beefed a little and used for an upper 4-link mount, or if you need an antiwrap bar there it is!!! And SHITS FREE!!

Dane

[Double-a]

On a side note I have a front and rear bridge going over my axles now that I use for my antiwrap bars, but they could be beefed a little and used for an upper 4-link mount, or if you need an antiwrap bar there it is!!! And SHITS FREE!!
Dane

If your willing to hold on to them for a few months...hell yea I'll take em. Never been one to turn down free shit. Especially free shit I can use!

I didnt have my heart set on springs in the front. I just know that putting three grand together for links is going to take some time. Springs would let me hit the trails sooner rather than later, that is the only reason I was cosindering them. Besides, I am sure it will take me some time to find some 44's to put on there. Would look pretty goofy sitten on 35's.

Thanks in advance for all the help guys.

I almost forgot.
What you guys doing for drivelines. You having them made or you putting them together out of square stock or something.

[mikeb]

If your willing to hold on to them for a few months...hell yea I'll take em. Never been one to turn down free shit. Especially free shit I can use!

I didnt have my heart set on springs in the front. I just know that putting three grand together for links is going to take some time. Springs would let me hit the trails sooner rather than later, that is the only reason I was cosindering them. Besides, I am sure it will take me some time to find some 44's to put on there. Would look pretty goofy sitten on 35's.

Thanks in advance for all the help guys.

I almost forgot.
What you guys doing for drivelines. You having them made or you putting them together out of square stock or something.

Thats what I did this summer ran leafs. Just so I could go wheel.

Square tube d-shafts suck by the way. Sac driveline in West Sac. One day turn around.

[dane]

Thats what I did this summer ran leafs. Just so I could go wheel.

Square tube d-shafts suck by the way. Sac driveline in West Sac. One day turn around.

Square tube does suck, but its cheap as damnit, and strong as hell. I have had some that balance well and some that give me death wobble!!! I will keep the bridges for you. If you are going to LUMPalooza I can bring at least one of them with me, the other one is still on the truck!!

Dane

[Double-a]

LUMPalooza

Dane

???

[dane]

???

Sorry thats the New Years Party at Lumpys house. I will be bringing a bunch of stuff from the sacramento area to the party for several people Big Blue 89 gets a new(to him)1979 F150, RockApe gets 2 new Titanium Exhausts for the low budget pimpin build, and Double-A gets a Rockwell bridge!! Im like the rockcrawling muthafawkin santa claus!! Anyone else needs anything from the other side of the hill let me know, if its not too far out of the way I will pick it up. If we do the MR cleanup on new years day you will all get your presents then!!! Wait a minute didnt I offer free shit last time and none of you showed up???

Dane

[Double-a]

I thought I was going to be in L.A. on the 1st but turns out will be back in Nevada by then.

Where do I have to go?
I will be coming in on I80 out of Silver Springs.

[Double-a]

Here they are

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7152/copyof22dec001compressegb9.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7676/copyof22dec001compressesv9.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7889/copyof22dec001compressekg1.jpg

Price went down too, $795.00
Cant see any reason not to buy them.
I didnt rip the boot off but I am pretty damn sure they are the spicers and not the Timkin type. I cant tell from the tag on them, it is pretty illegible.

[Dirty Harry]

Can you make the photos a little larger? The MIR Space Station called and they can't quite make out the details from where they are. :mullet:

[Double-a]

LMAO

I fixed it

[Sierra Valley]

Sounds like a good deal. You going to buy them? Where are they?

[Double-a]

Akron
I am sure you dont know where that is.
I live in Ohio right now
By the Football Hall of Fame.
Akron is just up the street from me.
I talk to you guys cause I am moving back home after my divorce.

and yea, going to buy them when I get back from my trip home for the holidays. Buy them in Jan.

[Sierra Valley]

Akron
I am sure you dont know where that is.
I live in Ohio right now
By the Football Hall of Fame.
Akron is just up the street from me.
I talk to you guys cause I am moving back home after my divorce.

and yea, going to buy them when I get back from my trip home for the holidays. Buy them in Jan.

I know where is Akron is, I know who you are as you pm'd me on pirate and I sent you here! Buy those axles and put em under your junk:cool:

[Double-a]

I know where is Akron is, I know who you are as you pm'd me on pirate and I sent you here! Buy those axles and put em under your junk:cool:

Sorry man,
I didnt think I was all that memorable!

[Sierra Valley]

Sorry man,
I didnt think I was all that memorable!

Dont worry you wouldnt have been if you could of logged in right away, instead you bothered me with PM's asking why this sight sucks dick?

:Big Grin:

[Double-a]

I didnt say that

















as I recall the quote was "licks big hairy pig nuts"

[Double-a]

alright
Yet another question regarding the Rocks.

Front axle....
I know the hub can be machined and turned so it isnt 80" wide.
I am just assuming you guys have done this.
How is it done?

Or are you leaving them full width.
Out here in Ohio, an 80" inch axle will never make it through the Jeep trails with trees on either side. Is an 80" axle even a problem on the trails out there?

Or are you guys cheating and using a shit pile of back spacing on the front wheels?

[mikeb]

Good deal try to get the wheel studs and lug nuts also. The price on those can add up fast.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

alright
Yet another question regarding the Rocks.

Front axle....
I know the hub can be machined and turned so it isnt 80" wide.
I am just assuming you guys have done this.
How is it done?

Or are you leaving them full width.
Out here in Ohio, an 80" inch axle will never make it through the Jeep trails with trees on either side. Is an 80" axle even a problem on the trails out there?

Or are you guys cheating and using a shit pile of back spacing on the front wheels?


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51614

[Double-a]

look at post #24.
That is me.

I was just wondering your guys opionion on it.
You guys have given me far better info than anywhere else I have gone looking.

[dane]

I am gonna flip mine when I lower it down unless I cant turn, but then Ill just chop the body more to clear the tires. Being super wide has its advantages and disadvantages for sure!!

Dane

[RARECJ8]

The MIR Space Station called and they can't quite make out the details from where they are. :mullet:

didn't the mir like burn to a crisp as it re entered the atmosphere about 2 years ago?


now, the ISS or some high zoot spy sats might be the ticket...

mb

[RARECJ8]

here's the thread on a rockwell buggy build and details on shaving the diff hilly billy style w/ pix.

good luck
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468665

mb