time to get serious

[johnny]

I am in need of some tech help. I am ready to drop some d-60's under my jeep yj full width. What vehicle should I be looking for to find the best for my buck50. Oh, Will be SOA. Give it up with the know-how.

[Dirty Harry]

You will need to run a Ford front axle to match the driver side drop of your NP231 transfer case. The good news is that these are high pinion axles, the bad news is that they are expensive. You will also either need to narrow the axle (I assume not since you said full width) or outboard your spring hangers. The rear is much easier since all you have to worry about is spring pads. Most rear Dana 60s are only 30 spline though, like a Dana 44. You can't add 1 1/2" 35 spline shafts to most 60s without boring the spindles. You could use a Dana 61, but then gear ratios are limited. A Dana 70 is another good option. Or a Corp. 14 Bolt, they are popular around here.

[johnny]

im not stuck on the dana 60 but I do want something strong.

[Sierra Valley]

I would recommend the 14bolt since its super strong and really cheap with a good aftermarket for parts.

Dana 60 front as Harry mentioned is ford.

Pirate4x4 is a good place to find axles for sale.

What size tires do you plan to run? What about gearing and lockers?

[Sierra Valley]

Also if you plan to run 40's a 44/60 combo would most likely work fine, just carry spare axles. this would be much cheaper on your pocket

Another option would be to run a 44 high pinion ford and a rear ford 9"

The 9" has bigger axle tubes than the stock dana 60, however its not a full floater.

My buddy runs this setup with 40" tires and he's yet to break that dana 44 with these tires but he doesnt drive like me either.

[Dirty Harry]

The 9" has bigger axle tubes than the stock dana 60, however its not a full floater.


Do you mean axle shafts? :39:

[Sierra Valley]

sorry my man, trying to eat dinner and post on the lab top and watch tv and act smart:help:

[johnny]

thanks for the help, all the info I can get helps. I do like the ford 9 but if I am going to put a real axle in the rear, then why not the front. My deal is to not have to take any more than two sets of exles on a weekend trip. Besides I don't want to spend all of my wheeling time working, I do enough of that during the week. I thought that the corp. was a monster pumpkin?

[Sierra Valley]

good luck breaking that 9" thats a beefy axle.:Big Grin:

Another rear thats strong is that of the sterling 10.25. Rarecj8 runs one on his scrambler.

[Connect]

Did you just reccomend a D44 front with 40" tires?? You must be smoking something real good tonight SV.

Sounding just like Pizza Jeep did before he snapped that D30 u-joint like a pretzel on BUD!!!!

[Connect]

On another note, I will sell you my D60/14B combo for $1750 ;)

[jeeper89]

On another note, I will sell you my D60/14B combo for $1750 ;)

why.. then what are you going to do to your jeep???

[Connect]

why.. then what are you going to do to your jeep???

I dunno, but if I can buy and flip axles and keep making this big of a profit the possibilities are endless! :Big Grin:

[Sierra Valley]

Did you just reccomend a D44 front with 40" tires?? You must be smoking something real good tonight SV.

Sounding just like Pizza Jeep did before he snapped that D30 u-joint like a pretzel on BUD!!!!

Dude your a tool! I know and have scene enough rigs wheel with 40's on a dana 44 front. If your looking to save some cash its not a bad option with junk yard axles being cheap for replacements.

A 31 spine dana 60 is a glorified dana 44 :wink:

Furthermore, I drove an overloaded rig out of fordyce with dana 44s and 40s locked. Rear axled broke and all we had was front wheel drive and it didnt snap. So until you have even drive a rig that had bigger tires than 31's but out:rolleyes:

[Connect]

Dude your a tool! I know and have scene enough rigs wheel with 40's on a dana 44 front. If your looking to save some cash its not a bad option with junk yard axles being cheap for replacements.

A 31 spine dana 60 is a glorified dana 44 :wink:

Furthermore, I drove an overloaded rig out of fordyce with dana 44s and 40s locked. Rear axled broke and all we had was front wheel drive and it didnt snap. So until you have even drive a rig that had bigger tires than 31's but out:rolleyes:

But a D44 is a glorified D30, so is the D60 a glorified glorified D30??? Yes it is if by glorified you mean bigger and stronger in every way.

Sure you can run 40's on a D44, but that's if you want to carry axle shafts and PLAN on replacing them on the trail, rather then a D60 and not worrying about it nearly as much. I'm not saying that if you put 40's on a D44 that you'll put it in drive and snap things as soon as you gas it. Tony's rig ran all the way up bud on 40's, and admittedly he did something stupid to break his U-joint (winching in reverse at full turn) but it was only a matter of time.

Your example was stupid because your trying to justify a D44's strength when your driving off a trail because of a broken D44 shaft!!!

Bottom line is you can run a D44 with 40" tires, and always worry about it and always be going easy on it just in case and when it breaks, you will have to replace it. Be it in your garage or in a rock garden in some forsaken desert freezing/sweating your ass off, your gonna regret it. :wink:

[Sierra Valley]

But a D44 is a glorified D30, so is the D60 a glorified glorified D30??? Yes it is if by glorified you mean bigger and stronger in every way.

Sure you can run 40's on a D44, but that's if you want to carry axle shafts and PLAN on replacing them on the trail, rather then a D60 and not worrying about it nearly as much. I'm not saying that if you put 40's on a D44 that you'll put it in drive and snap things as soon as you gas it. Tony's rig ran all the way up bud on 40's, and admittedly he did something stupid to break his U-joint (winching in reverse at full turn) but it was only a matter of time.

Your example was stupid because your trying to justify a D44's strength when your driving off a trail because of a broken D44 shaft!!!

Bottom line is you can run a D44 with 40" tires, and always worry about it and always be going easy on it just in case and when it breaks, you will have to replace it. Be it in your garage or in a rock garden in some forsaken desert freezing/sweating your ass off, your gonna regret it. :wink:

Your an idiot, we broke the rear 9" dumbass out of frustration from another broken rig and drove out on a locked dana 44 front with 40's and I drove it. Rockape runs a 44 on his yj so check yourself fool! Go back to the xjnation and eat burgers and talk about 31" tires:cool:

[jeeper89]

Your an idiot, we broke the rear 9" dumbass out of frustration from another broken rig and drove out on a locked dana 44 front with 40's and I drove it. Rockape runs a 44 on his yj so check yourself fool! Go back to the xjnation and eat burgers and talk about 31" tires:cool:

on rockapes yj he is runnin 36s??? and its a mall crawler that only rig stacks:eek:

[Sierra Valley]

on rockapes yj he is runnin 36s??? and its a mall crawler that only rig stacks:eek:

i thought he was running 39.50????

Either way, I was saying its an option. Not the best option but lots of people go that route.

[Connect]

Dude your a tool! I know and have scene enough rigs wheel with 40's on a dana 44 front. If your looking to save some cash its not a bad option with junk yard axles being cheap for replacements.

A 31 spine dana 60 is a glorified dana 44 :wink:

Furthermore, I drove an overloaded rig out of fordyce with dana 44s and 40s locked. Rear axled broke and all we had was front wheel drive and it didnt snap. So until you have even drive a rig that had bigger tires than 31's but out:rolleyes:

I'M SORRY YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TYPE BUT NO ONE SAID NOTHING ABOUT A 9" REAR!!!!!

DVMBASS :eek:

[Double-a]

although there arnt a lot of rocks out here, we do have Paragon and Telico and a couple of other choice spots and a lot of Jeepers out here run the 9"/44 combo.
it is not the optimal set up but with the price of 60's, this is a price effective option.
I think ultimatly, everyone would like to run Rocks on 49+ tires but sometimes budgets or tools or experince or driveablitly will not let that happen.

We all have our reasons for running what we have.
a 60/14 is going to be IMHO the best option for you.
But if you cant afford to go with a 60...I think the 9"/D44 is a good combo as well, but I would stay in the 37" tire range. With 37's you can run it pretty hard and not have to worry about anything, you go with 40's and you'll find that non-breakage is the exception rather than the rule.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

on rockapes yj he is runnin 36s??? and its a mall crawler that only rig stacks:eek:

DONT HATE BECAUSE MY RIGS STACK BETTER THAN YOURS :rolleyes: AND THOSE ARE 39.5 INCH IROKS!!!:107:

[BIG BLUE]

:Big Grin: ya we all know you over compensate with tire size....my jeeps green too so maybe if your not looking I'll just switch the two...hmmm :cool:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

:Big Grin: ya we all know you over compensate with tire size....my jeeps green too so maybe if your not looking I'll just switch the two...hmmm :cool:

:rolleyes: THATS TOO MUCH MACHINE FOR YA!!!!

[jeeper89]

DONT HATE BECAUSE MY RIGS STACK BETTER THAN YOURS :rolleyes: AND THOSE ARE 39.5 INCH IROKS!!!:107:

sorry ,my bad:rolleyes:

[johnny]

On another note, I will sell you my D60/14B combo for $1750 ;)

what gearing is that set. Are they locked, matching bolt paterns?? Just wondering what you got for that price?

[johnny]

by the way I am running right now dana 30/35 limited slip on 35 toyo's and haven't broke them yet..... but I don't just hammer the schmidt out of them either. But I know that I am pushing my luck. And no mall crawler here, I wheel my junk.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

by the way I am running right now dana 30/35 limited slip on 35 toyo's and haven't broke them yet..... but I don't just hammer the schmidt out of them either. But I know that I am pushing my luck. And no mall crawler here, I wheel my junk.

SOONER THAN LATER THAT DANA 35 WILL FAIL YOU!!!AT LEAST A REAR 44 OUT OF AN XJ WOULD BE A NICE STRENGTH UPGRADE OVER THE 35!!!!

[Connect]

Or a ford 8.8 swap.

The axle's aren't for sale johnny I was just kidding, unless you wanted to pay that much for some stock axles

[johnny]

no 8.8... I think that I am going to just have to wait till I find the right axles. Not going to just get a little stronger. I want something very strong and that cant take a 40 in stride. I am thinking about the corp. but I was sure that they were just draggers on the rocks even shaved. So, if given the choice between the corp. or the ford 9" what do ya'll think??

[johnny]

Or a ford 8.8 swap.

The axle's aren't for sale johnny I was just kidding, unless you wanted to pay that much for some stock axles

Did you really pay that much for those axles?????

[johnny]

DONT HATE BECAUSE MY RIGS STACK BETTER THAN YOURS :rolleyes: AND THOSE ARE 39.5 INCH IROKS!!!:107:

I wish that I could have enough rigs to stack them !

[whitelightnin87]

hell just get a slamurai then you can run dana 44s with 44s on them and go all day with 64 horse power and probably not break an axle unless you get it really wedged in a spot

[MIGHTYRAM97]

no 8.8... I think that I am going to just have to wait till I find the right axles. Not going to just get a little stronger. I want something very strong and that cant take a 40 in stride. I am thinking about the corp. but I was sure that they were just draggers on the rocks even shaved. So, if given the choice between the corp. or the ford 9" what do ya'll think??

All depends on what tire size you're gonna run, how you wheel, and if you plan on getting stupid and break stuff to prove a point... if you're gonna stick with 35-37's Id say D44/9" combo, bigger ?? 38-44's go with 1 ton'ers like a corp.14/60 set up but good luck in finding a "cheap set" or go big and never look back with 2.5Tons...but expect to go tall and big since it's a toploader....check out usa6x6 and their chat room, there is a ton of info on rocks there...and why theyre often over looked...but by comparison they're definetly stronger than any of the forementioned axles, down fall is they're big... and have a funky bolt pattern....:frown:

[Connect]

Did you really pay that much for those axles?????

No, but if I could flip them for that much I would sell them in a heart beat.

Expect to pay anywhere from $800-1200 for a good complete Ford HPD60

As well as about $150 for any rear end you want (D60/14BoltFF)

Add in ring and pinions, lockers, installation, and your looking at $$$$

When my axles are done it'll be somewhere in around $3k range for both axles, ARB's, 5.38 R&P's, and installation.

[Sierra Valley]

Hmm, better figure it out that turdy five aint gonna last the way your wheelin bud! Where doing a twister run on sunday. Join us.

[Connect]

Yea sounds like fun, I'll have to see if I can make it out.