bend a cage?

[Mrburns]

Is anyone willing to bend a "simple" cage for me, it would be going in a CJ7. I was thinking something along the lines of the MORE style, maybe slightly different. I've learned to weld, but haven't been able to purchase a bender yet. Thanks :Big Grin:

http://www.mountainoffroad.com/catalog/SportCages/cage.htm

[yotapower]

I will bend the stock one for you give me a 12 pack of beer and 30 min at the moonrocks.:Big Grin: seriously get ahold of cockape i taught him everything i know and he is starting to do some decent work:wink:

[L.D.]

I will bend the stock one for you give me a 12 pack of beer and 30 min at the moonrocks.:Big Grin: seriously get ahold of cockape i taught him everything i know and he is starting to do some decent work:wink:

now if he could just learn to weld :eek:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

now if he could just learn to weld :eek:

COME AWN GRANDPA...IM PRETTY SURE I HAVE TESTED MY WELDS MORE THAN MOST.....NEVER HAD A FAILURE YET!!!!

BUT WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT........THATS THE PART I DONT WANNA DO!!!!THE TOY CAGE I JUST DID WILL BE OWNER WELDED!!!I DO KNOW A CERTIFIED WELDER TO DO IT,BUT HE LIKES TO GET PAID!!!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Is anyone willing to bend a "simple" cage for me, it would be going in a CJ7. I was thinking something along the lines of the MORE style, maybe slightly different. I've learned to weld, but haven't been able to purchase a bender yet. Thanks :Big Grin:

http://www.mountainoffroad.com/catalog/SportCages/cage.htm

ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO ADD A FRONT SECTION TO YOUR STOCK ROLL BAR???IM SURE I COULD DO SOMETHING A WHOLE LOT NICER THAN THE M.O.R.E CAGE....THAT ONE IS PRETTY BASIC.

PLUS ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO TIE IT INTO THE TUB OR THE FRAME???TUBE SIZE AND GRADE(DOM OR HREW)???

[MR.ROCKAPE]

I will bend the stock one for you give me a 12 pack of beer and 30 min at the moonrocks.:Big Grin: seriously get ahold of cockape i taught him everything i know and he is starting to do some decent work:wink:

NICE HALF COMPLIMENT.......

HOWS THAT TOY PROJECT COMING......:mullet:

[Mrburns]

ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO ADD A FRONT SECTION TO YOUR STOCK ROLL BAR???IM SURE I COULD DO SOMETHING A WHOLE LOT NICER THAN THE M.O.R.E CAGE....THAT ONE IS PRETTY BASIC.

PLUS ARE YOU JUST WANTING TO TIE IT INTO THE TUB OR THE FRAME???TUBE SIZE AND GRADE(DOM OR HREW)???

For now, i'd like to just add to the OE back half...but I am going to tie it to the frame, but with that I want to add a harness bar. I wouldn't mind it being a little more one-off than the MORE kit, with grab handles, and spreader bars, but don't think i want anything too special. I would guess 1.75" hrew...unless DOM would be a better choice? (i would need some advise on that along with the size of tube.)

[MR.ROCKAPE]

For now, i'd like to just add to the OE back half...but I am going to tie it to the frame, but with that I want to add a harness bar. I wouldn't mind it being a little more one-off than the MORE kit, with grab handles, and spreader bars, but don't think i want anything too special. I would guess 1.75" hrew...unless DOM would be a better choice? (i would need some advise on that along with the size of tube.)

I THINK I COULD ADD A FRONT SECTION KINDA LIKE THE ONE IN THE GREEN YJ....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/rockape81/100_0239.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/rockape81/100_0222.jpg

EXCEPT SINCE THE YJ UPPER SECTION IS ONE PIECE AND YOUR ORIGINAL ROLL BAR ARE DIFFERENT, THE SIDE TUBES WILL NEED A 30 OR 45 DEGREE BEND WHERE THEY ATTACH TO YOU ORIGINAL ROLL BAR TO LOOK GOOD.

HARD OR SOFT TOP???

I PREFER DOM TUBE OVER HREW.

AND TUBE DIAMETER.....I HAVE DIES TO DO 1.5 1.75 AND 2.0.YOUR STOCK ROLL BAR IS 2 INCH.

I DID MY FIRST CJ5 IN 2 INCH BUT WITH A HOOP UP BY THE DASH....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/rockape81/100_0421.jpg

WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY ALSO.....

AS FAR AS PRICE I DONT THINK I CAN BE AS CHEAP AT THE M.O.R.E CAGE.CALL ME AT THE SHOP AND YOU CAN COME BY THE HOUSE AND DISCUSS ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT AND PRICE.

[Mrburns]

I like the YJ's spreader bars...so maybe something in that style...I'll try to come by the shop today or tomorrow, I need to schedule the GFs car for some service anyways. I think I am leaning towards 1.75 or 1.5 so its not as massive...

[wix]

JUST BUY A BENDER, BEND TECH!!! AND SOME POLE! This is my 1st cage, notice the front/upper section (inspired by rockapes green yj).
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/wixjp_photos/Img_1278.jpg
I was gonna buy a bolt in kit some time last year but then decided I wanted rockape to build one. http://www.therockgods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4703 Then decided to do it myself!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

JUST BUY A BENDER, BEND TECH!!! AND SOME POLE! This is my 1st cage, notice the front/upper section (inspired by rockapes green yj).
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/wixjp_photos/Img_1278.jpg
I was gonna buy a bolt in kit some time last year but then decided I wanted rockape to build one. http://www.therockgods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4703 Then decided to do it myself!

DONT FORGET I GAVE YA THE FIVE MINUTE LESSON ON HOW TO USE BEND-TECH EZ....THE MASTERS WAY!!!!AND I SHOULD HAVE ALL THE POLE YOU CAN HANDLE BY THURDAY OR FRIDAY FOR YOUR MOG SWAP!!!!

[Mrburns]

your cage looks good, is that with the bendtech software? and JD2 bender? or..mb 105? I've been looking into both...

[wix]

your cage looks good, is that with the bendtech software? and JD2 bender? or..mb 105? I've been looking into both...

Ya bendtech ez 3d, jd2 bender and tn-100 notcher. I think I had to fork out around $500 for the the tools but its a good investment, since I will be adding more tube to the cage/frame real soon!

[wix]

DONT FORGET I GAVE YA THE FIVE MINUTE LESSON ON HOW TO USE BEND-TECH EZ....THE MASTERS WAY!!!!AND I SHOULD HAVE ALL THE POLE YOU CAN HANDLE BY THURDAY OR FRIDAY FOR YOUR MOG SWAP!!!!

The lessons defintly helped along with little tid bits of advise. Let me know when the tube gets here, I need to eye the green yj some more for ideas on the link set up.

[Mrburns]

Ya bendtech ez 3d, jd2 bender and tn-100 notcher. I think I had to fork out around $500 for the the tools but its a good investment, since I will be adding more tube to the cage/frame real soon!

$500 from where ??? The best i'm finding is $429 (bender/stand/handle etc) 50-bendtech, plus a die..http://www.tricktools.com/model_3_bender.htm...and thats without the $50-99 for a notcher.
I could swear i found a bender with crap and a die for $500 prior but don't know where anylonger...

[wix]

$500 from where ??? The best i'm finding is $429 (bender/stand/handle etc) 50-bendtech, plus a die..http://www.tricktools.com/model_3_bender.htm...and thats without the $50-99 for a notcher.
I could swear i found a bender with crap and a die for $500 prior but don't know where anylonger...



http://www.mtechsupply.com/index.php3

software 140
notcher 200
bender 300
plus a die 275 (1.75)

I was a little off..:tongue: Guess i was thinkin just the nothcer and the bender. STILL WORTH IT! Im gonna be gettin a 1.5" die early next week.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

$500 from where ??? The best i'm finding is $429 (bender/stand/handle etc) 50-bendtech, plus a die..http://www.tricktools.com/model_3_bender.htm...and thats without the $50-99 for a notcher.
I could swear i found a bender with crap and a die for $500 prior but don't know where anylonger...

http://www.mtechsupply.com/view_page.php3?getcategory=Benders&prodid=184

http://mtechsupply.com/images/Mod3Movie.wmv

http://mtechsupply.com/view_page.php3?getcategory=Model+3+die+sets&prodid=30&session=6998a4a17a197f39cf594e25b7ee6c1e

http://mtechsupply.com/view_page.php3?getcategory=Tube+Notchers&prodid=7

THESE ARE THE ONES I HAVE!!!!!AND THATS WHO I BOUGHT IT ALL FROM!!!!I HAD EXTRA STANDS FROM CONVERTING MINE AND THROTTLES BENDERS TO HYDRO BUT I SOLD THEM!!!:frown:

[Mrburns]

http://www.tricktools.com/bend_tech_softwareEZ.htm

is that an OK product to start with?

[MR.ROCKAPE]

BEND -TECH EZ WILL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT...BUT IF YOU WANNA SEE IT COMPLETE BEFORE BENDING ONE TUBE THEN STEP UP AND GET BEND-TECH PRO.......

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/rockape81/WIDEBUGGY1.gif

I USED PRO TO DO THE DODGE TRUGGY,THE JEEP JUGGY AND LO-BUDGET PIMPIN.....AND SINCE I HELPED TESTING AND DEVELOPMENT OF PRO I AM WELL VERSED IN ITS USE!!!!30 MINUTES TO DESIGN A BUGGY CHASSIS IF I HAVE THE DIMENTIONS FOR THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT AND ENGINE BAY!!!!!

IF YOU PLAN TO DO MORE THAN JUST ONE CAGE I WOULD BUY THE TOOLS!!!IF YOU PLAN TO BUILD JUST ONE I WOULD JUST HAVE IT DONE!!!!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

http://www.tricktools.com/bend_tech_softwareEZ.htm

is that an OK product to start with?

YEP THATS THE ONE I HAD ORIGINALLY!!!STILL HAVE IT!!!THE ONLY THING IT WONT DO IS OFF-PLANE BENDS.AND YOU PROBABLY WONT EVER NEED IT!!!I HAVE ONLY USED IT THREE TIMES EVER!!!!!

[Mrburns]

i think i have to bite the bullet and buy the tools...I just know I would LIKE to build more than one...and i have a buddy who is going to want some things too

[MR.ROCKAPE]

i think i have to bite the bullet and buy the tools...I just know I would LIKE to build more than one...and i have a buddy who is going to want some things too

BUY IT AND ILL GIVE YA THE 5 MINUTE LESSON ON HOW TO USE BT-EZ,SELL YA SOME TUBE AND TURN YA LOOSE!!!

[Mrburns]

so what do you guys think about this deal? http://www.pro-tools.com/105.htm

I was thinking of that with the 1.75 die, and then down the road i could get this http://copperheadfab.com/index.php?action=productview&productid=162
if i though i need to upgrade it.

[rnoyoda]

i have one and love the thing just have to hydor it and all is good. but to save the shipping i got it from rockbuggy supply in cali and it was here in like two day with the standard ship.

http://rockbuggysupply.com/

[rnoyoda]

hey that is a good idea i have one of those bottle jack to thanks for the find :Big Grin: i will just have to make my own though i have the steel.

[Mrburns]

So I am going with this.... http://www.pro-tools.com/105.htm ... as the package, and the 1.75 die, but was wondering if anyone else has the 105? OR if the dies are interchangable with the JD2s?

any thoughts....am i going to regret getting this one as opposed to any other? I can't due the hydro just yet, but hopefully in a year or so I can convert it. :Big Grin: ...

Chris

[MR.ROCKAPE]

So I am going with this.... http://www.pro-tools.com/105.htm ... as the package, and the 1.75 die, but was wondering if anyone else has the 105? OR if the dies are interchangable with the JD2s?

any thoughts....am i going to regret getting this one as opposed to any other? I can't due the hydro just yet, but hopefully in a year or so I can convert it. :Big Grin: ...

Chris

I THINK ITS AS GOOD A MACHINE AS ANY BUT I DONT KNOW IF THE DIES ARE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH THE JD2 OR THE M-TECH(THOSE TWO ARE INTERCHANGEABLE FOR SURE THAT I KNOW...).IM SURE IT WOULD BE THE SAME TO CONVERT TO FULL HYDRO WHE N THE TIME COMES!!!!

[rnoyoda]

no the dies are not interchange able especially if you get the protools 105 hd. the center pin is bigger i have tried. but i have the 105 hd and i love it. going to make it hydro in a bout a week or two.

[BryanD]

So I am going with this.... http://www.pro-tools.com/105.htm ... as the package, and the 1.75 die, but was wondering if anyone else has the 105? OR if the dies are interchangable with the JD2s?

any thoughts....am i going to regret getting this one as opposed to any other? I can't due the hydro just yet, but hopefully in a year or so I can convert it. :Big Grin: ...

Chris

that is the bender i bought (Pro-Tools). I put the air over bottle jack on mine with my own brackets. it's a little slow, AND uses a decent amount of air for 90 degree bends or more. but for a home fab shop it works great and it was cheap. I WOULD like a way to more acuarately measure angles and compensate for spring back to make duplication easier. the degree ring and wire needle is kinda of a joke. the needle bends to easy taking it out of calibration. i tend to use a home-grown "angle-O-finder" i made for duplication.

with the increasing cost of material and generally using DOM and sometimes 4130 i would like to step up to Bend-Tech Pro to minimize "screw-ups", AND waste by cutting your initial lengths too long.

Maybe Rockape can give me the 5 minute leason as well?

[MR.ROCKAPE]

that is the bender i bought (Pro-Tools). I put the air over bottle jack on mine with my own brackets. it's a little slow, AND uses a decent amount of air for 90 degree bends or more. but for a home fab shop it works great and it was cheap. I WOULD like a way to more acuarately measure angles and compensate for spring back to make duplication easier. the degree ring and wire needle is kinda of a joke. the needle bends to easy taking it out of calibration. i tend to use a home-grown "angle-O-finder" i made for duplication.

with the increasing cost of material and generally using DOM and sometimes 4130 i would like to step up to Bend-Tech Pro to minimize "screw-ups", AND waste by cutting your initial lengths too long.

Maybe Rockape can give me the 5 minute leason as well?

Yeah Bend-tech pro is the shit!!!I highly recommend it if you plan on doing complete cages or chassis on a regular or semi regular basis!!!I still have to come up with a rough idea on paper though, because it doesnt give you any sizes to start with....meaning you need to know how much room you need for everything......but once you have it,it is really easy to tweak,add or remove tubes and get to look at your work before one piece of tube is bent(or wasted...).Like I have said before the green yj,dodge truggy and Lo-Budget buggy were alll done with bend tech pro!!!The black cj5,and the two seat Zuk hooded buggy were done on bend-tech EZ.....

[Mrburns]

that is the bender i bought (Pro-Tools). I put the air over bottle jack on mine with my own brackets. it's a little slow, AND uses a decent amount of air for 90 degree bends or more. but for a home fab shop it works great and it was cheap. I WOULD like a way to more acuarately measure angles and compensate for spring back to make duplication easier. the degree ring and wire needle is kinda of a joke. the needle bends to easy taking it out of calibration. i tend to use a home-grown "angle-O-finder" i made for duplication.

with the increasing cost of material and generally using DOM and sometimes 4130 i would like to step up to Bend-Tech Pro to minimize "screw-ups", AND waste by cutting your initial lengths too long.

Maybe Rockape can give me the 5 minute leason as well?


would you post up a couple pictures of your air over setup?

[BryanD]

Sorry it took so long.

the ram was from Harbor Freight if i remember right, about $80. I just welded the body of the ram directly to the square tube witout even taking it apart. you have to reset the stroke once for 90 degree bends and twice beyond that, but the jack handle works great to release it, and as a leverage bar to push the ram closed. a little slow, but for a recreational fabricator its great, cheap, and much easier on your back muscles. I have noticed that keeping the ram up and the air over down, even when transporting it helps keep air out of the oil. A friend of mine and i are partners in the bender and occasionally it acts "funny" after bouncing around in the back of your truck between houses.

[xjmoser]

I need one of those..