When enough is enough?

[Dennis]

This is not Pirate board. If you want to use all the swear words you know and start flame-fests, last time I checked, Pirate doesn't charge $$$ to post and they will welcome you there. Keep this forum 4x4-related and Reno-related, hence the name.

[Sauce]

I agree denis, people have gotten out of hand lately, if people do want to flame, I think it is ok (and entertaining), but people need to leave swear words off of the board and know when enough is enough. If I wasn't at work, I would be able to spend some more time moderating some of the nastier posts that have been made lately.

[kairo]

agreed

[JOE THE TOE]

:d Agreed,but I Have A Question.what About Fake Cuss Words Like Sh!t,no Fake F Words Or P Words , But Nicer Fake Words Like Sh!t? P.S. IF I DID USE THIS FAKE S-WORD IT WOULD ONLY BE IN A SENTENCE LIKE "SH!T I ROLLED OVER & BROKE MY TOOTHBRUSH LAST WEEKEND".SEE IT'S 4X4 RELATED,BY THE WAY I DID BREAK MY TOOTHBRUSH CAUSE IT WAS PACKED ON TOP WHEN THIS INCEDENT HAPPENED! :nervous:

[xjmoser]

I think when some fool edits my post with getto talk bullshit. :nono:

I guess for some reasone sauce was made a moderater. :slap:


I said shit! Oh there it is again. I cant stop...:wave:

[JOE THE TOE]

STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER :blahblah: :blahblah:

[JOE THE TOE]

HEY,AM I ALOUD TO EDIT PEOPLES POST'S TOO? 'CUASE THAT WOULD BE COOL,BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW ME HOW! :spike:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

This is not Pirate board. If you want to use all the swear words you know and start flame-fests, last time I checked, Pirate doesn't charge $$$ to post and they will welcome you there. Keep this forum 4x4-related and Reno-related, hence the name.
Come AWN Denis,the ROCKAPE challenge thread was all about talkin crap from its first post,so you lock it and post this thread???Look at all the traffic THAT thread gets,do you think that this board would get this much action without a little drama??
Before Throttleboy,Joe the toe,Crackmonkey,Spoon and myself(Rockape) showed up here,the threads were about eating hamburgers,finding out whos ride you saw driving down the street,bronco canyon and showing off the latest modification you payed someone else to do.
So how about our own HARDCORE SECTION!!!And we will all promise to not infect your board about PJs alt. lifestyle,CrackMonkeys liberty wheeling adventures,Spoons mad rollovers,Throttleboys constant carnage(or his new buggy build),Joe the toes constant trying to get someone to "wheel with him",And my constant ability to stir the crap.Of coarse the hardcore section might become your most watched section,most posted section,most pics section and down right fun for us SCREEN WARRIORS!!!
SO WHAT DO YA THINK???How about a thread containing a POLL and lets see how much "EVERYBODY HATES"the dog and pony show the above offenders have taken this board to..................dont be PATHETIC :rofl: :rofl:

[JOE THE TOE]

AAAMEEENNN BROTHER,& ALSO I DONT WANT TO GO TO PIRATE BOARD..THEIR ALL BIG MEANIES OVER THERE.BESIDES THIS IS ALL LOCAL SH!T..YOU DIDN'T SAY I COULD'NT SAY IT YET!!! :p

[Scrub]

I think when some fool edits my post with getto talk bullshit. :nono:

I guess for some reasone sauce was made a moderater. :slap:


I said shit! Oh there it is again. I cant stop...:wave:

Im not sure about the moderator(s) but i agree that it should come back down to a little more family oriented (being thats what it is)

[throttleboy]

This is not Pirate board. If you want to use all the swear words you know and start flame-fests, last time I checked, Pirate doesn't charge $$$ to post and they will welcome you there. Keep this forum 4x4-related and Reno-related, hence the name.
i agree with rockape...start a hard core section :yup: !!if not you will probable end up :ban: me for my :bs: went YOU decide enough is enough!! :bs: is all part of wheeling,if you did'nt want our type on your board you should have left the 4X4 out!!

[throttleboy]

I agree denis, people have gotten out of hand lately, if people do want to flame, I think it is ok (and entertaining), but people need to leave swear words off of the board and know when enough is enough. If I wasn't at work, I would be able to spend some more time moderating some of the nastier posts that have been made lately.
ummm ya....seems to me you were right there talkin **** with the other potty mouths :rolleyes: !!

[throttleboy]

I think when some fool edits my post with getto talk bullshit. :nono:

I guess for some reasone sauce was made a moderater. :slap:


I said shit! Oh there it is again. I cant stop...:wave:
welcome to the dark side...its cold and lonely but you'll get use to that!!

[Dennis]

All I'm saying is, keep this under control. I don't care if you swear, cause I can just set-up automatic censor filter, but you all will find creative ways to type those words using alternative characters. We have more important issues to deal with, like keeping the trails open, etc.

[JOE THE TOE]

YOU STILL DID'NT ANSWER MY QUESTION,CAN I SAY SH!T. :fro:

[JOE THE TOE]

HI :wave:

[kairo]

YES JOE YOU CAN SAY SH!T!

By the way, the rockape challenge thread got locked not for its flaming characteristics, but for a steady decline in the language.

[throttleboy]

YOU STILL DID'NT ANSWER MY QUESTION,CAN I SAY SH!T. :fro:
IF JOE GETS TO SWEAR THEN I DO TO :D !!

[JOE THE TOE]

Thank You So Much,i've Been Sweating & Shaking For Hours...sh!t..sh!t...sh!t..sh!t..sh!t..sh!t.. :)

[kairo]

I think when some fool edits my post with getto talk bullshit. :nono:

I guess for some reasone sauce was made a moderater. :slap:


I said shit! Oh there it is again. I cant stop...:wave:


Who edited what post? PM me

[xjmoser]

All I'm saying is, keep this under control. I don't care if you swear, cause I can just set-up automatic censor filter, but you all will find creative ways to type those words using alternative characters. We have more important issues to deal with, like keeping the trails open, etc.


I agree with you.

Im mad at my post being edited by someone spewing as much BS as everyone else.




SHHHH it :eek:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Wheres that POLL??(PJ just got excited)Ya know,let the readers speak!!!1700 views(+/-) on the Rockape challenge,and you want to censor it???Most small web sites would PAY$$$ for that kind of exposure,ask your venders if they want all the ish talkin to stop!!
AND Joe the Moe,you can say that all you want.I give you permission!!
Come on Denis,HARDCORE AREA!!!!That way if you dont want to see it DONT CLICK ON IT!!!I could moderate it :yup: :yup: B-sauce could come up with nice little pics for everybody.Joe the FRO :fro: could set up our carnage sessions,Throttle could show up and just break,Spoon could show us the proper form to cartwheel his buggy on flat ground,Crack Monkey could bring refreshments and I could bring out my buggy (at the wrong time :rolleyes: )and not even scratch it!!

[kairo]

acutally i did a little math. 1700 views divided by the number of views = about 20 views a day since the post was started. That means the "standard group" of R4x4 regs just checked the thread once a day :buttkick:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

acutally i did a little math. 1700 views divided by the number of views = about 20 views a day since the post was started. That means the "standard group" of R4x4 regs just checked the thread once a day :buttkick:
But thats still a grip more than ANY OTHER ONE!!! :ne_nau:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

I agree with you. Denis you are my HERO!!!

Im mad at my post being edited by someone spewing as much BS as everyone else.I hate B-sauce!!!BAN HIM!!!!!!!!!!! :D




SHHHH it :eek:
Fixed it for ya!!!!No need to thank me............ :bowdown: :bowdown:

[crackmonkey]

Denis, you are an arrogant web-nazi crybaby. Who exactly is this web site for? It's members and visitors, or YOU personally? Do you even READ the posts before you delete them? Kairo can do whatever "math" he wants. When was the last time ANYTHING you posted had 1700+ views.
Prove my point one way or the other. Open up a poll and let everyone vote.If I am wrong, then I'll gladly shut my mouth, and then you can say "Look kids, Daddy's little web site that six people look at". There's something to be proud of!
Oh, and by the way....... Not ONE swear word, spelled correctly or incorrectly,was used in this post.

[Dennis]

Denis, you are an arrogant web-nazi crybaby. Who exactly is this web site for? It's members and visitors, or YOU personally? Do you even READ the posts before you delete them? Kairo can do whatever "math" he wants. When was the last time ANYTHING you posted had 1700+ views.
Prove my point one way or the other. Open up a poll and let everyone vote.If I am wrong, then I'll gladly shut my mouth, and then you can say "Look kids, Daddy's little web site that six people look at". There's something to be proud of!
Oh, and by the way....... Not ONE swear word, spelled correctly or incorrectly,was used in this post.

I never delete the posts. I am against this kind of censorship. All I'm trying to do is bring awareness to the "problem", so you guys can control yourselves. I don't have time to sit all day and read every post and censor stuff out. I don't want someone coming to our site and seeing all the BS and flaming, cuz they don't know if you're really angry or just lightheartedly talking smack. 4x4 community has an unpleasant image in the eyes of the majority of population, this doesn't help it.

[Dennis]

Oh, and by the way....... Not ONE swear word, spelled correctly or incorrectly,was used in this post.

And see, you got your point across... ;)

[EricsXJ]

Many people here have Reno4x4 stickers on their vehicles, and by looking at the "How did you find this site" thread, many people are finding it through web searches. The website is still very young, but as it grows, more and more people are going to look here to see what "Reno 4x4" is about. This website and what is posted here is a direct reflection of who we are. If people in our community get the impression that all we are is a bunch of swearin', ghetto talkin', disrespectful yahoos, that will carry over to the image they have of all four wheelers and off-road enthusiasts. When trails get closed (like the Peavine issues recently) who do you think people will blame? If they come here, I'm afraid they would think we are part of the problem, simply by the content that is posted on this site.

So... are we part of the problem? What have you (we) done to be part of the solution?

I'd like to see more interest in the "Events and Trail Runs" and "Land Use" sections. Also 4x4 Tech. Limit trash talk to one section and put it at the bottom of the main page so that its not the first thing people see when they visit here. Or just do away with it completely. I'm not here for the drama queen threads and frankly don't have the time for it. I don't like the swearing and prefer the site, and our events, to be more family oriented.

That is all - my rant is done!

[Scrub]

Many people here have Reno4x4 stickers on their vehicles, and by looking at the "How did you find this site" thread, many people are finding it through web searches. The website is still very young, but as it grows, more and more people are going to look here to see what "Reno 4x4" is about. This website and what is posted here is a direct reflection of who we are. If people in our community get the impression that all we are is a bunch of swearin', ghetto talkin', disrespectful yahoos, that will carry over to the image they have of all four wheelers and off-road enthusiasts. When trails get closed (like the Peavine issues recently) who do you think people will blame? If they come here, I'm afraid they would think we are part of the problem, simply by the content that is posted on this site.

So... are we part of the problem? What have you (we) done to be part of the solution?

I'd like to see more interest in the "Events and Trail Runs" and "Land Use" sections. Also 4x4 Tech. Limit trash talk to one section and put it at the bottom of the main page so that its not the first thing people see when they visit here. Or just do away with it completely. I'm not here for the drama queen threads and frankly don't have the time for it. I don't like the swearing and prefer the site, and our events, to be more family oriented.

That is all - my rant is done!


I Agree with that 100%, sorry if we really wanted to see all the BS stuff then we would kick it over at Pirate.......

[kairo]

Denis, you are an arrogant web-nazi crybaby. Who exactly is this web site for? It's members and visitors, or YOU personally? Do you even READ the posts before you delete them? Kairo can do whatever "math" he wants. When was the last time ANYTHING you posted had 1700+ views.
Prove my point one way or the other. Open up a poll and let everyone vote.If I am wrong, then I'll gladly shut my mouth, and then you can say "Look kids, Daddy's little web site that six people look at". There's something to be proud of!
Oh, and by the way....... Not ONE swear word, spelled correctly or incorrectly,was used in this post.

Well you could be constructive and help resolve the situation, or you can continue to aggravate two of the three people here who can ban you... FYI, Denis doesn't delete many posts or threads. I deleted 2 today that were redundant copies of others with absolutely know relevance to anything what so ever. They were outside even the realm of things that could be considered "chit chat"
And, as far as the number of viewers to our webpage. Lest you forget--well, you weren't here during that time--Reno4x4 started out with about 10 people. We were polite, we went wheeling, and we brought our families and friends with us. Your use of this website is a priveledge, not a right. Denis puts alot of time and effort and money into this site, and his wishes deserve to be respected. You don't like it? Take a hike.

[Dennis]

Head on over to http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=51

[throttleboy]

Many people here have Reno4x4 stickers on their vehicles, and by looking at the "How did you find this site" thread, many people are finding it through web searches. The website is still very young, but as it grows, more and more people are going to look here to see what "Reno 4x4" is about. This website and what is posted here is a direct reflection of who we are. If people in our community get the impression that all we are is a bunch of swearin', ghetto talkin', disrespectful yahoos, that will carry over to the image they have of all four wheelers and off-road enthusiasts. When trails get closed (like the Peavine issues recently) who do you think people will blame? If they come here, I'm afraid they would think we are part of the problem, simply by the content that is posted on this site.

So... are we part of the problem? What have you (we) done to be part of the solution?

I'd like to see more interest in the "Events and Trail Runs" and "Land Use" sections. Also 4x4 Tech. Limit trash talk to one section and put it at the bottom of the main page so that its not the first thing people see when they visit here. Or just do away with it completely. I'm not here for the drama queen threads and frankly don't have the time for it. I don't like the swearing and prefer the site, and our events, to be more family oriented.

That is all - my rant is done!
talkin smack do'es not close trails,ppl rippin up the side of a hill and destroying the follage closes trails!! and i think ppl will think worse of us when they see threads like the moon rocks clean up thread that a lot of ppl TALKED about and did nothing than for talkin trash!! i think rockape and i have invited this board to the moon rocks a few times and no one shows?? you dont have to wheel the spots we do to come out and have a good time.neather one of us drinks or do'es drugs we just talk **** and wheel and i would be glad to wheel some of the easier stuff if you showed!!as far as the tech go'es rockape and i are going to be starting my buggy project soon so their will be some tech for you and i'll bet money there will be more veiws on that thread then ANY of the bolt on threads!!also i get the feeling from reading your post you dont care for us to much(and you know who i mean when i say us)??remember whos winch you were hooked to on the B/C run :yup: !!BTW when YOU decide to be part of the solution let me know....i'm down ;) !!

[Sauce]

talkin smack do'es not close trails,ppl rippin up the side of a hill and destroying the follage closes trails!! and i think ppl will think worse of us when they see threads like the moon rocks clean up thread that a lot of ppl TALKED about and did nothing than for talkin trash!! i think rockape and i have invited this board to the moon rocks a few times and no one shows?? you dont have to wheel the spots we do to come out and have a good time.neather one of us drinks or do'es drugs we just talk **** and wheel and i would be glad to wheel some of the easier stuff if you showed!!as far as the tech go'es rockape and i are going to be starting my buggy project soon so their will be some tech for you and i'll bet money there will be more veiws on that thread then ANY of the bolt on threads!!also i get the feeling from reading your post you dont care for us to much(and you know who i mean when i say us)??remember whos winch you were hooked to on the B/C run :yup: !!BTW when YOU decide to be part of the solution let me know....i'm down ;) !!
dang t-boy, your pimp hand is heavy ;)

[throttleboy]

thanks denis,we'll try to keep it some what civil ;) !!

[EricsXJ]

talkin smack do'es not close trails,ppl rippin up the side of a hill and destroying the follage closes trails!! and i think ppl will think worse of us when they see threads like the moon rocks clean up thread that a lot of ppl TALKED about and did nothing than for talkin trash!! i think rockape and i have invited this board to the moon rocks a few times and no one shows?? you dont have to wheel the spots we do to come out and have a good time.neather one of us drinks or do'es drugs we just talk **** and wheel and i would be glad to wheel some of the easier stuff if you showed!!as far as the tech go'es rockape and i are going to be starting my buggy project soon so their will be some tech for you and i'll bet money there will be more veiws on that thread then ANY of the bolt on threads!!also i get the feeling from reading your post you dont care for us to much(and you know who i mean when i say us)??remember whos winch you were hooked to on the B/C run :yup: !!BTW when YOU decide to be part of the solution let me know....i'm down ;) !!

No it is not personal at all - I just don't care for the ghetto talk. And I do appreciate the winch. As far as Moonrocks is concerned we have been there many times, so just because we don't show when you do doesn't mean we don't wheel ;) We tend to like to wheel more trails than just the moonrocks, especially when the weather is good and more trails are open. (Remember, us XJ guys have the means to do more "trails" rather than just Moonrocks, or Loon to Sluice and back out...) I'm sure when the weather turns cold again, we'll be stuck to doin the local spots, until we're tired of it again. :)

I very much enjoyed wheeling with Rockape at Bud Canyon with his CJ, so again don't think I have something against people that own buggies. It does seem that you guys are different in person because then you are down to earth, and pleasant people to be around and wheel with, just like everyone else. But on here, you guys lack any and all restraint when it comes to what you say to people. Thats normal for the internet and posting with a moniker gives you the anonymity to do that. Yeah I know its just talkin' smack and joking around but not everyone that happens across this board knows that, and that was my point.

If you want to plan an organized clean up of Moonrocks, please do and I will be there. I think the discussion we had before was a cleanup that others turned into a discussion of "adopting" Moonrocks which I still don't think this board is big enough or capable of making that commitment. Is it my fault, that the clean-up never happened? I sure hope you don't think so, because it wasn't even my idea. If someone wants to plan it, and follow through, I will support it and be there.

I have some ideas for cleanups on a smaller scale that still could be used to improve the image of the off-road comunity by letting the media know, etc but as you know the majority of this board lacks commitment. I would hate to announce a cleanup to the media and have a dismal turnout similar to what we see on our trail rides...

[throttleboy]

No it is not personal at all - I just don't care for the ghetto talk. And I do appreciate the winch. As far as Moonrocks is concerned we have been there many times, so just because we don't show when you do doesn't mean we don't wheel ;) We tend to like to wheel more trails than just the moonrocks, especially when the weather is good and more trails are open. (Remember, us XJ guys have the means to do more "trails" rather than just Moonrocks, or Loon to Sluice and back out...) I'm sure when the weather turns cold again, we'll be stuck to doin the local spots, until we're tired of it again. :)

I very much enjoyed wheeling with Rockape at Bud Canyon with his CJ, so again don't think I have something against people that own buggies. It does seem that you guys are different in person because then you are down to earth, and pleasant people to be around and wheel with, just like everyone else. But on here, you guys lack any and all restraint when it comes to what you say to people. Thats normal for the internet and posting with a moniker gives you the anonymity to do that. Yeah I know its just talkin' smack and joking around but not everyone that happens across this board knows that, and that was my point.

If you want to plan an organized clean up of Moonrocks, please do and I will be there. I think the discussion we had before was a cleanup that others turned into a discussion of "adopting" Moonrocks which I still don't think this board is big enough or capable of making that commitment. Is it my fault, that the clean-up never happened? I sure hope you don't think so, because it wasn't even my idea. If someone wants to plan it, and follow through, I will support it and be there.

I have some ideas for cleanups on a smaller scale that still could be used to improve the image of the off-road comunity by letting the media know, etc but as you know the majority of this board lacks commitment. I would hate to announce a cleanup to the media and have a dismal turnout similar to what we see on our trail rides...
now i get the feeling you think your better then most of the ppl here :disagree: !!there have been a few times when i would have liked to of said more than i did (like now) !! i was'nt blameing you for ANYTHING i made a point like you did!! and it seems like you want every one to plan out a clean up or something and you take the creidt by calling the meida :disagree: this is another reason OUR trails are being closed...because everyone just talks!! BTW i am down to earth...just because i talk a little(ok a lot) of poo i'm a bad guy??? theres not anything i say on this board that i would'nt say to the persons face....so dont think i'm a screen soldier!!

[Dennis]

moon rocks clean up thread that a lot of ppl TALKED about and did nothing than for talkin trash!!

I started the thread about the clean-up. Let's just do it. I live 15 minutes away and others can find couple hours on Sat morning to help out, I'm sure.
http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17616

[PIZZAJEEPS MOM]

I started the thread about the clean-up. Let's just do it. I live 15 minutes away and others can find couple hours on Sat morning to help out, I'm sure.
http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17616
Hey sweetie..... I'm only 14 minutes away. Maybe we can LOVE together at the Moonrocks.........

[throttleboy]

Hey sweetie..... I'm only 14 minutes away. Maybe we can LOVE together at the Moonrocks.........
:rofl: :rofl: :bowdown: :bowdown: !!

[xjmoser]

now i get the feeling you think your better then most of the ppl here !



NO! That would be Me:wave:

[PizzILLA]

Hey sweetie..... I'm only 14 minutes away. Maybe we can LOVE together at the Moonrocks.........
HI MOM!!!!

[throttleboy]

NO! That would be Me:wave:
the dark side is calling you :yup: !!

[xjmoser]

the dark side is calling you :yup: !!





:hyper::thumbsup:

[rusty_tlc]

Head on over to http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=51
Thank you Denis.
As far as it goes the REI, Sierra Club, Tree Huggers, etc. don't see any difference between the four wheelers that try to protect trails and the yahoos who swill beer and tear it up. They want all technology banned from wilderness areas, GPS, cell phones, Four By's, ATV's, everything. Well except for their internal frame pack packs and Whisperlight Stoves and freeze dried meals. Any post that makes us look like 'Po White trash is just ammo to them. Lord knows the liberal left would never use a quote out of context :rolleyes: , but why tempt them?
When the trash talk was all in the Rockape challange it didn't bother me. But then it seems to be spilling into every other thread. I agree the most viewed stuff is full of the BS, but you guys seem bright enough to keep it interesting without being crude. Maybe you could give it a chance.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Thank you Denis.
As far as it goes the REI, Sierra Club, Tree Huggers, etc. don't see any difference between the four wheelers that try to protect trails and the yahoos who swill beer and tear it up. They want all technology banned from wilderness areas, GPS, cell phones, Four By's, ATV's, everything. Well except for their internal frame pack packs and Whisperlight Stoves and freeze dried meals. Any post that makes us look like 'Po White trash is just ammo to them. Lord knows the liberal left would never use a quote out of context :rolleyes: , but why tempt them?
When the trash talk was all in the Rockape challange it didn't bother me. But then it seems to be spilling into every other thread. I agree the most viewed stuff is full of the BS, but you guys seem bright enough to keep it interesting without being crude. Maybe you could give it a chance.
I dont think we are being any more crude than most guys out wheelin with some buddys are.To myself it is the same SH-- talking as if you or anybody out wheelin with me or any of the fearsome four(wheelers).It is fun for us,(even if a few of the posts are made out of anger)if it gets you offended than stay out of the "HARDCORE"section.I like the fact that there is a disclaimer about that section on the main page,because everyone knows that in there it is NO HOLDS BARRED.
And just for the record when all the crap talkin was going on in the ROCKAPE challenge,did you follow it???Was it entertaining to read??
Come Awn,anybody???
Post, if you liked it or hated it,it was hard to stay away from!!!!

[rusty_tlc]

I dont think we are being any more crude than most guys out wheelin with some buddys are.To myself it is the same SH-- talking as if you or anybody out wheelin with me or any of the fearsome four(wheelers).It is fun for us,(even if a few of the posts are made out of anger)if it gets you offended than stay out of the "HARDCORE"section.I like the fact that there is a disclaimer about that section on the main page,because everyone knows that in there it is NO HOLDS BARRED.
And just for the record when all the crap talkin was going on in the ROCKAPE challenge,did you follow it???Was it entertaining to read??
Come Awn,anybody???
Post, if you liked it or hated it,it was hard to stay away from!!!!
The key here is "when you are out wheelin", not posting to a public board. Me, I don't get offended easy, the general public might. I started my post with a thank you to Denis for creating the Hardcore forum. Every site needs a place where you can give each other a hard time.
Did I follow the rockape challange? Hell yes, as I pointed out there were a lot of views and I did follow it. And I will most likely be lurking in the hardcore section. My point was it started getting old when it became part of every thread. Any gag gets old when you over do it.

Another thing I mentioned is you all seem to be bright guys, smart enough to make a point without a bunch of $$$ and certainly smart enough to FIGURE OUT WHERE THE CAPS LOCK KEY IS. I'm guessing you could all be funny and entertaining and still keep it fairly family friendly.

[JOE THE TOE]

I beg to differ...The beer drinkin,hardcore guys that are ruining the trail :disagree: Think about this for a second,when i go to rubicon or any other trail most of the damage you see isn't from the beer drinkin hard core guy...it's from the small tire havin,buys all his parts from kragen,& hasn't spent an eighth of the time on his rig as the hardcore guy,that digs big azz holes or has to go through brush to get around every rock GUY :GrowUp: :banned:

[kairo]

most of the damage you see isn't from the beer drinkin hard core guy...it's from the small tire havin,buys all his parts from kragen,& hasn't spent an eighth of the time on his rig as the hardcore guy,that digs big azz holes or has to go through brush to get around every rock GUY :GrowUp: :banned:

agreed

[SPOON-EAZY]

Toe the words you speak are the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!!! I head up to the 'con on a fairly regular basis. I rarely ever see the guys with the extreme built rigs to be the problem in most cases. Almost every time I see some type of trail abuse it is the inexperienced, underbuilt, wannabe big dog rockcrawler types that are doing the damage. For example earlier this year when the 'con was wet and muddy, I happened to come across some wheelers from a local Reno "family oriented" club who were about to take off across a meadow to by-pass a puddle that they felt they couldn't cross. I had to stop them and explain to them that this was the wrong thing to do. They fortunately listened and turned around and headed out. But still on their way out they decided that it didn't matter if they ran off the trail and spun their tires in the mud, digging holes, running over vegetation, all because their non-locked rigs couldn't handle the snow on the trail. I got lots more stories like this to tell and its the same type of people in every one of them, inexperienced people driving underbuilt ill-equipped vehicles. People who spend upwards of $30,000 or more on their vehicles are VERY in-tune with what is happening with trails such as the Rubicon and realize that their investment of time and money in their rig is all-for-not if trails get shut down. The blanket stereotypical statements made (some by people on this board) about tube buggies and bigger tired extreme rigs being the causes of all trail evils and damage, are downright stupid. Try running trails such as the Rubicon and Fordyce more than once a year and you will most likely see exactly what i'm talking about.

[JOE THE TOE]

Very nice! :yup:

[Scrub]

man, now we are doggin on the people who dont have $30k to throw into a Trail Only Rig?

Trust me i wish i had an extra $30k to put into my rig.....

[xjmoser]

Toe the words you speak are the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!!! I head up to the 'con on a fairly regular basis. I rarely ever see the guys with the extreme built rigs to be the problem in most cases. Almost every time I see some type of trail abuse it is the inexperienced, underbuilt, wannabe big dog rockcrawler types that are doing the damage. For example earlier this year when the 'con was wet and muddy, I happened to come across some wheelers from a local Reno "family oriented" club who were about to take off across a meadow to by-pass a puddle that they felt they couldn't cross. I had to stop them and explain to them that this was the wrong thing to do. They fortunately listened and turned around and headed out. But still on their way out they decided that it didn't matter if they ran off the trail and spun their tires in the mud, digging holes, running over vegetation, all because their non-locked rigs couldn't handle the snow on the trail. I got lots more stories like this to tell and its the same type of people in every one of them, inexperienced people driving underbuilt ill-equipped vehicles. People who spend upwards of $30,000 or more on their vehicles are VERY in-tune with what is happening with trails such as the Rubicon and realize that their investment of time and money in their rig is all-for-not if trails get shut down. The blanket stereotypical statements made (some by people on this board) about tube buggies and bigger tired extreme rigs being the causes of all trail evils and damage, are downright stupid. Try running trails such as the Rubicon and Fordyce more than once a year and you will most likely see exactly what i'm talking about.




I ran the rubicon this year for the first time with 4" of lift and 31s. I did not leave any big holes or go driving off the trail to go around any obsticale. I do have a rear locker. And no were near $30,000 grand in my rig. I guess im the underbuilt wanna be big dog rockcrawler. :wave:

Oh! And I did almost sink my XJ in the "puddles" on the way out because its were the trail took me.

[xjmoser]

man, now we are doggin on the people who dont have $30k to throw into a Trail Only Rig?

Trust me i wish i had an extra $30k to put into my rig.....


If I was to spend $30,000 on my rig it would be so over built I could put on the Cruise control and take a nap then go home down load the pics my automatic camera took and brag to everyone I didnt get stuck once.

Whats the point. :wave:




I dont have that kind of money thats why Im talkin shh it!!!

[SPOON-EAZY]

man, now we are doggin on the people who dont have $30k to throw into a Trail Only Rig? Nope, not at all! And don't try steering this discussion that way. I am simply stating that lots of the damage that takes place on trails such as Rubicon and Fordyce is from people in lesser built rigs with little or no experience in four wheeling who can't make obstacles so they decide to blaze an illegal by-pass in order to continue on. Since they are ignorant enough to run off the trail, these people are usually just as ignorant when it comes to leaving trash and crapping and leaving toilet paper lying all over the place. I am also not saying that every tube buggy and extreme rig owner is a model trail citizen either. Some have been the cause of problems too. But from my experiences on the trail 80% of the time its the inexperienced, new to rockcrawling, wannabe sluice box player, punk-arse kids(and some adults) who are responsible for a lot of the problems that everyone seems to want to finger the extreme rig and buggy owners for. And being a buggy owner who respects the trails and other users on the trail, I am damn tired of being accused as a group for being responsible for all damage that occurs on trails. And usually the accusers are ill-informed morons who seldom visit the Rubicon and Fordyce. If people in the four-wheeling community keep feeding and believeing this erroneous stereotype and further keep trying to divide the community, we WILL LOSE trails such as Rubicon and Fordyce.

[SPOON-EAZY]

I ran the rubicon this year for the first time with 4" of lift and 31s. I did not leave any big holes or go driving off the trail to go around any obsticale. I do have a rear locker. And no were near $30,000 grand in my rig. I guess im the underbuilt wanna be big dog rockcrawler. :wave:

Oh! And I did almost sink my XJ in the "puddles" on the way out because its were the trail took me. Good for you then guy, you get the point of staying on the trail. But lots of guys still don't.

[Scrub]

Nope, not at all! And don't try steering this discussion that way. I am simply stating that lots of the damage that takes place on trails such as Rubicon and Fordyce is from people in lesser built rigs with little or no experience in four wheeling who can't make obstacles so they decide to blaze an illegal by-pass in order to continue on. Since they are ignorant enough to run off the trail, these people are usually just as ignorant when it comes to leaving trash and crapping and leaving toilet paper lying all over the place. I am also not saying that every tube buggy and extreme rig owner is a model trail citizen either. Some have been the cause of problems too. But from my experiences on the trail 80% of the time its the inexperienced, new to rockcrawling, wannabe sluice box player, punk-arse kids(and some adults) who are responsible for a lot of the problems that everyone seems to want to finger the extreme rig and buggy owners for. And being a buggy owner who respects the trails and other users on the trail, I am damn tired of being accused as a group for being responsible for all damage that occurs on trails. And usually the accusers are ill-informed morons who seldom visit the Rubicon and Fordyce. If people in the four-wheeling community keep feeding and believeing this erroneous stereotype and further keep trying to divide the community, we WILL LOSE trails such as Rubicon and Fordyce.

Ok i totally agree with you, and im not trying purposely to steer the discussion there i was just sayin that not everyone has the resources to build hardcore buggy's. :hmmrun:

[throttleboy]

man, now we are doggin on the people who dont have $30k to throw into a Trail Only Rig?

Trust me i wish i had an extra $30k to put into my rig.....
i dont think spoon is tryin to dog anyone i think he's just makin a point!! the first rig i built was in 1990 it was a "79" power wagon with a 540hp 440 with 39.5 boggers,i was new to 4 wheelin and did a lot of things i would'nt even think of doing now!! the point spoon is making is that most ppl new to 4 wheelin have skock rigs and think its cool to rip up the side of a hill where theres no road or try to drive across a pond or creek/river thats to deep or tear up a meadow playin in the mud!!then the more built rigs($30k)take the blame for all the damage done to the trails because their always on the trails and draw more attention!! i agree theres some ppl with built rigs that are part of the problem but for the most part its the :newbie: that causes most of the problems!!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Ok i totally agree with you, and im not trying purposely to steer the discussion there i was just sayin that not everyone has the resources to build hardcore buggy's. :hmmrun:
:ot: Yes,you do Im pretty sure sambo fab builds those buggy kits pretty cheap$$.It might take 5 years but it will be outfitted with all the hardcore accesories like,a/c,cruise,power windows,chrome light bars,and fake lock wheels :disagree:
But really,wheel what you can afford,and what you like,because when you do get a full on built rig or buggy it starts to seriously limit your trail selection.But if you are an adrenaline junky or crackmonkey than until you have gone an insane line that even you as the driver cant exactly see how you are going to make it, than possibly you might not understand the "HARDCORE MENTALITY"

[86xjfor8]

i dont think spoon is tryin to dog anyone i think he's just makin a point!! the first rig i built was in 1990 it was a "79" power wagon with a 540hp 440 with 39.5 boggers,i was new to 4 wheelin and did a lot of things i would'nt even think of doing now!! the point spoon is making is that most ppl new to 4 wheelin have skock rigs and think its cool to rip up the side of a hill where theres no road or try to drive across a pond or creek/river thats to deep or tear up a meadow playin in the mud!!then the more built rigs($30k)take the blame for all the damage done to the trails because their always on the trails and draw more attention!! i agree theres some ppl with built rigs that are part of the problem but for the most part its the :newbie: that causes most of the problems!!
I agree with that my rig that I have now is stock but I have lived here for 28 years and have been wheeling in these hills since I was 5 so I know what I am capable of but then you get these people that see all these rigs come out of a trail head and they think it is cool and they want to be like that not having a clue what they are doing I have seen several times where some punk idiot and it doesnt matter what they are driving has thought they are bad a$$ and inded up on there lid or off the side of a cliff it is those people that are giving the wheeling comunity a bad rep people dont see the rest that have caused no damage to any trail they just see and hear abot the idiots that tear them up and it is a shame in the years that I have been wheeling I have seen to many trails that I have gone on as a kid for years get closed down for this reason

[throttleboy]

I agree with that my rig that I have now is stock but I have lived here for 28 years and have been wheeling in these hills since I was 5 so I know what I am capable of but then you get these people that see all these rigs come out of a trail head and they think it is cool and they want to be like that not having a clue what they are doing I have seen several times where some punk idiot and it doesnt matter what they are driving has thought they are bad a$$ and inded up on there lid or off the side of a cliff it is those people that are giving the wheeling comunity a bad rep people dont see the rest that have caused no damage to any trail they just see and hear abot the idiots that tear them up and it is a shame in the years that I have been wheeling I have seen to many trails that I have gone on as a kid for years get closed down for this reason
i have lived here for 39yrs and know what ya mean :yup: !!

[EricsXJ]

So, we were talking about ettiquette and the language used on this forum... and somehow that turned into the "hardcore" vs "newbie" debate again. :blahblah: Sheesh, some people can't get over it! This board does not need to polarize itself like this because we are all on the same side of this issue. The people who think they are hard core think are thinking that everyone is blaming them for tearing things up. NOBODY SAID THAT! And everyone that doesn't have a rig built out of tube doesn't mean they are a "newbie" tearing things up.

Nobody here on this board is out tearing up the hillsides, so why argue about it? Lets work together and not against ourselves.

The true newbies who venture in, will get the idea and we can show them proper trail usage along the way.

[Samco Fab]

Spoons not talkin about the "newbie" people on this board or bashin people here. I have heard many off roaders, even veteran people that have very much influence with the rubicon, point out that they feel that the buggy types were probably to blame for all the problems on the Rubicon.
The problem "newbies" are the people that dont go to any of the 4x4 forums, or inform themselves on whats right and wrong. They take what they want and do whatever they want to have a good time.
Any newbie vs. HARDCORE talk on this board is really for the most part not serious, people should not take it to seriously and get offended to easily :boohoo: :D

[SPOON-EAZY]

So, we were talking about ettiquette and the language used on this forum... and somehow that turned into the "hardcore" vs "newbie" debate again. :blahblah: Sheesh, some people can't get over it! The people who think they are hard core think are thinking that everyone is blaming them for tearing things up. NOBODY SAID THAT! Maybe your the one that can't get over it. I was just agreeing with what Toe posted. All the hardcore "your a newbie mall-crawler" talk is nothing but jokin' around. Don't take it so seriously and relax .:yup: Let it roll off your back and quit acting like somebody is poking you in the eye. And as far as nobody here saying that buggy guys are ruining trails, go back and read that "Where is this trail thread. You will find one post about "hardcore" guys being accused of dropping rocks into Steves Loop and one directed at me personally about being a Heineken swilling drunk wheeler who is flopping his rig and leaving the empty bottle lying on the ground. So yes there are a few idiots here who still buy into the whole "hardcore" trail wrecker stereotype. :rolleyes:

[MR.ROCKAPE]

So, we were talking about ettiquette and the language used on this forum... and somehow that turned into the "hardcore" vs "newbie" debate again. :blahblah: Sheesh, some people can't get over it! This board does not need to polarize itself like this because we are all on the same side of this issue. The people who think they are hard core think are thinking that everyone is blaming them for tearing things up. NOBODY SAID THAT! And everyone that doesn't have a rig built out of tube doesn't mean they are a "newbie" tearing things up.

Nobody here on this board is out tearing up the hillsides, so why argue about it? Lets work together and not against ourselves.

The true newbies who venture in, will get the idea and we can show them proper trail usage along the way.
I told you guys Im not "HARDCORE" that evil buggy I built is!It makes me drive on petrogyphs,swill BEER,throw trash about(some trash talkin too)and CLOSE TRAILS. :rofl:

[PizzILLA]

So, we were talking about ettiquette and the language used on this forum... and somehow that turned into the "hardcore" vs "newbie" debate again. :blahblah: Sheesh, some people can't get over it! This board does not need to polarize itself like this because we are all on the same side of this issue. The people who think they are hard core think are thinking that everyone is blaming them for tearing things up. NOBODY SAID THAT! And everyone that doesn't have a rig built out of tube doesn't mean they are a "newbie" tearing things up.

Nobody here on this board is out tearing up the hillsides, so why argue about it? Lets work together and not against ourselves.

The true newbies who venture in, will get the idea and we can show them proper trail usage along the way.
ok erics last line got me..hey so where were 'we' today when ...um... exactly ONE person showed up to go wheeling?? Me, joey, and our buddy brian whos the lead fabricator at trucktown were there first thing in the morning running twister. i didnt see one person who we invited to run the early run through the canyon, though i saw that they were making posts at about the time when we were actally out there. i see people making posts today who could have been out there at 11-11:30 for a trail ride out to the moonrocks... one person showed up.

its not like this is monday morning at 9:30 when we're all in either school or at work.. its a damn saturday.. AND how long ago did joe make the thread about doing something this weekend?????? (a=3 days ago)


congratulations to tom for actually getting off his computer and out there. i see ya'll sword fighting with your penises again over the hardcore vs. b~i~t~c~h~core battle.
what point are you trying to make when you havent left the driveway??


eric says "Nobody here on this board is out tearing up the hillsides". you guys arent even tearing up your driveway or trailer planks... wtf??


granted~ the twister part of todays activities is not for everyone. me and joe only invited the 3 people on this board who are capable of doing it. there is no excuse that ya'll cant make it out for just a couple hours on a saturday to go run a dirt road trail from SS to the moonrocks. even a completely bone stock 87 xj with the exception of a supposed 'stroked 4.0' can run it. 3 hours people... 3 out of your day to go and actually get out and participate in the sport that you spend all of this time b!tching and moaining about.

when trail runs happen its always the same 4 or 5 people. when good arguements on the harcore section happen, its always the same 4 or 5 people. out of 187 registered members of this board, we might have a collective 20 who actually post and are involved, and about 4 who actually get out of their houses to go wheel.

if you have time to post today, you have time to get your sh!t out there and stop being a lameass

[PizzILLA]

Nope, not at all! And don't try steering this discussion that way. I am simply stating that lots of the damage that takes place on trails such as Rubicon and Fordyce is from people in lesser built rigs with little or no experience in four wheeling who can't make obstacles so they decide to blaze an illegal by-pass in order to continue on. Since they are ignorant enough to run off the trail, these people are usually just as ignorant when it comes to leaving trash and crapping and leaving toilet paper lying all over the place. I am also not saying that every tube buggy and extreme rig owner is a model trail citizen either. Some have been the cause of problems too. But from my experiences on the trail 80% of the time its the inexperienced, new to rockcrawling, wannabe sluice box player, punk-arse kids(and some adults) who are responsible for a lot of the problems that everyone seems to want to finger the extreme rig and buggy owners for. And being a buggy owner who respects the trails and other users on the trail, I am damn tired of being accused as a group for being responsible for all damage that occurs on trails. And usually the accusers are ill-informed morons who seldom visit the Rubicon and Fordyce. If people in the four-wheeling community keep feeding and believeing this erroneous stereotype and further keep trying to divide the community, we WILL LOSE trails such as Rubicon and Fordyce.
i couldnt agree more with spoon, hurr. he is 100% on the button, right

[Dennis]

i see people making posts today who could have been out there at 11-11:30 for a trail ride out to the moonrocks... one person showed up.

i just got back from MR. met sam and spoon there around 1pm. did you not wheel at MR or didn't at all?

[MR.ROCKAPE]

i just got back from MR. met sam and spoon there around 1pm. did you not wheel at MR or didn't at all?
Now Denis,you know that if everybody is wheeling the MR at 1:00 than Pj will be there much later if at all!! :disagree:
And whats with those posts pj??Compensating for something?? :blahblah:

[throttleboy]

Denis,can you please move this to the hard core section??its taken a turn for the worse i'm afraid :yup: and i'm not sure how much longer i can hold off the S**T storm thats sure to come ;) !!

[Samco Fab]

Spoon, Denis and I were out at MR at about 1:30 to 4:30, waiting for you guys to show up :ne_nau:
What happened, did you guys break or have problems. We were really hoping everyone would show up, we found a couple of "new" to us lines that were pretty cool. Denis spanked a few "HARDCORE" lines, now he can post in the new section :D As soon as Denis left Spoon lived up to his flopper reputation and went over backwards hard. I'm sure he will post pictures later. All I did was take pictures, tag along as the official "tag along groupie fabricator wheeler" that "used" to go wheeling :rofl: Really I ran the little sluice, I promise.

[throttleboy]

Really I ran the little sluice, I promise.
uummmm yaa :disagree: !!

[EricsXJ]

Spoon, yeah I do take it seriously sometimes, it seems like some people here get worked up over what I post also... ;)

The thing that got to me was that I post this:

I don't like the swearing and prefer the site, and our events, to be more family oriented.


and you said:

I happened to come across some wheelers from a local Reno "family oriented" club who were about to take off across a meadow to by-pass a puddle that they felt they couldn't cross. I had to stop them and explain to them that this was the wrong thing to do. They fortunately listened and turned around and headed out. But still on their way out they decided that it didn't matter if they ran off the trail and spun their tires in the mud, digging holes, running over vegetation, all because their non-locked rigs couldn't handle the snow on the trail. I got lots more stories like this to tell and its the same type of people in every one of them, inexperienced people driving underbuilt ill-equipped vehicles.

"Family oriented" to me doesn't have anything to do with what vehicle you drive or what trails you run. Maybe it has a different meaning to you guys. I like the more difficult trails as much as the next guy, and I also like watching the better built rigs try the "hardcore" obstacles on those trails also.

I felt you were saying that because I wanted a "family oriented" forum and events that that somehow means I am an uneducated newbie that is "inexperienced" and driving "underbuilt ill-equipped vehicles". Yeah, I know its just semantics, but as far as I can tell you weren't joking when you said that. So maybe you can see why that stuff gets to me.

Anyway, kudos for helping those people see that what they were about to do was wrong. :thumbsup: So just curious... which local "family oriented" club were they from?

[Scrub]

ok erics last line got me..hey so where were 'we' today when ...um... exactly ONE person showed up to go wheeling?? Me, joey, and our buddy brian whos the lead fabricator at trucktown were there first thing in the morning running twister. i didnt see one person who we invited to run the early run through the canyon, though i saw that they were making posts at about the time when we were actally out there. i see people making posts today who could have been out there at 11-11:30 for a trail ride out to the moonrocks... one person showed up.

its not like this is monday morning at 9:30 when we're all in either school or at work.. its a damn saturday.. AND how long ago did joe make the thread about doing something this weekend?????? (a=3 days ago)


congratulations to tom for actually getting off his computer and out there. i see ya'll sword fighting with your penises again over the hardcore vs. b~i~t~c~h~core battle.
what point are you trying to make when you havent left the driveway??


eric says "Nobody here on this board is out tearing up the hillsides". you guys arent even tearing up your driveway or trailer planks... wtf??


granted~ the twister part of todays activities is not for everyone. me and joe only invited the 3 people on this board who are capable of doing it. there is no excuse that ya'll cant make it out for just a couple hours on a saturday to go run a dirt road trail from SS to the moonrocks. even a completely bone stock 87 xj with the exception of a supposed 'stroked 4.0' can run it. 3 hours people... 3 out of your day to go and actually get out and participate in the sport that you spend all of this time b!tching and moaining about.

when trail runs happen its always the same 4 or 5 people. when good arguements on the harcore section happen, its always the same 4 or 5 people. out of 187 registered members of this board, we might have a collective 20 who actually post and are involved, and about 4 who actually get out of their houses to go wheel.

if you have time to post today, you have time to get your sh!t out there and stop being a lameass


Hrm.....im not sure but i think im the only one with a 87 round here.....so i guess he's talkin bout me :yup: I Would love to be out wheelin with you but me not even having 4wheel drive doesent help me out much. And I dont know most of the people around here so it makes it a little more difficult to just ride along.

And i know who yer talking about with the Supposed Stroker Motor :disagree: but that is neither here nor there :bustedrun

[Scrub]

Oh i was Wrong Dustin Also has an 87 But his isent As Close to Stock As mine :loser:

[xjmoser]

Spoon, Denis and I were out at MR at about 1:30 to 4:30, waiting for you guys to show up :ne_nau:
What happened, did you guys break or have problems. We were really hoping everyone would show up, we found a couple of "new" to us lines that were pretty cool. Denis spanked a few "HARDCORE" lines, now he can post in the new section :D As soon as Denis left Spoon lived up to his flopper reputation and went over backwards hard. I'm sure he will post pictures later. All I did was take pictures, tag along as the official "tag along groupie fabricator wheeler" that "used" to go wheeling :rofl: Really I ran the little sluice, I promise.



I met up with Joe, Brian and Tony at 11:30. Tony had already busted a rear shaft and side wall so he was heading home. We figured screw it and also headed out. We were all disappointed at the turn out. I guess there was alot of people stubing their toes getting out of bed as usual. :rofl: Maybe we should have gone to the mall.....

I followed tony back to GV and then went a cruised Peavine. Looked for bud cayon with no luck.

I wish I new you guys were going out to MR at the time I would have went out and watched.

[DBXJ]

yea i have the stroker but its in a 88 but i opened the store this morning so i was at work at 9 am and left at 4:30

[throttleboy]

So, we were talking about ettiquette and the language used on this forum... and somehow that turned into the "hardcore" vs "newbie" debate again. :blahblah: Sheesh, some people can't get over it! This board does not need to polarize itself like this because we are all on the same side of this issue. The people who think they are hard core think are thinking that everyone is blaming them for tearing things up. NOBODY SAID THAT! And everyone that doesn't have a rig built out of tube doesn't mean they are a "newbie" tearing things up.

Nobody here on this board is out tearing up the hillsides, so why argue about it? Lets work together and not against ourselves.

The true newbies who venture in, will get the idea and we can show them proper trail usage along the way.
NOW i can tell you what i really think :yup: !!YOU are the one with the problem and cant let it go....why :scratchhe ??go back and reread ALL the posts before you say this is a hard core vs newbie debate no one is arugeing only expressing their veiws and making points...thats how it is in the real world unlike your world where every thing is YOUR way!!as far as this thread being about one thing and turning into something else....thats the norm on this and most other boards!! WE....99% of this site ARE on the same side just because WE dont agree on every subject do'es not mean we are not down for each other!! that being said its time for the peoples elbow :yup: ....i think your an arrogant prick and you think your better that everyone else on this site and probable in the world.....your NOT so get over yourself!! i want everyone to go back and read posts #29,#36 and #62 and give me your thoughts,arrogant or not?? BTW Ericsclowncar no one could work with you....your to good :rofl: !!

[EricsXJ]

Me? Arrogant? Ookay, whatever you say throttle. Every post you've made about buggies vs XJs, hardcore vs newbie, who wheels where or who doesn't wheel at all, and everything posted in your ghetto vernacular, is beaming with arrogance! :yup:

I could care less what you think of me personally - I have been called worse by better. :wave:

[Samco Fab]

:lamer: :mad: :blahblah: :mad: Pathetic, we need some of Matilida's sugar cookies and a :grouphug:

[throttleboy]

Me? Arrogant? Ookay, whatever you say throttle. Every post you've made about buggies vs XJs, hardcore vs newbie, who wheels where or who doesn't wheel at all, and everything posted in your ghetto vernacular, is beaming with arrogance! :yup:

I could care less what you think of me personally - I have been called worse by better. :wave:
my posts and arrogance are in a joking manor your arrogance is how you really are :wave: !! as far as buggys vs XJs...just busten balls...you seen the sh!t box i drive!! and for the first time we agree on something...i'm sure you have been called worse by better,but i'd be willin to bet they did'nt have the ghetto vocab skills i possess FO SHO ;) !!

[Sauce]

Now Denis,you know that if everybody is wheeling the MR at 1:00 than Pj will be there much later if at all!! :disagree:
And whats with those posts pj??Compensating for something?? :blahblah:
I was planning on going out to MR, but when I called joe, he said nobody was out there so I didn't go. Instead I got to work on my truck.
On a side note, don't ever go to les schwab to have them mound used tires. I went in at 7:30 to get them mounted and they wouldn't do it for "liability reasons" :mad: If you do go down and see Aaron (deadandcompany) at Big O off of Mae Anne, he got me in and out in 30 minutes and even let me use my super secret method of balancing (golf balls).
Dustin and I are probably going out somewhere tommorow, if anybody wants to go, let me know.

[xjmoser]

I was planning on going out to MR, but when I called joe, he said nobody was out there so I didn't go. Instead I got to work on my truck.
On a side note, don't ever go to les schwab to have them mound used tires. I went in at 7:30 to get them mounted and they wouldn't do it for "liability reasons" :mad: If you do go down and see Aaron (deadandcompany) at Big O off of Mae Anne, he got me in and out in 30 minutes and even let me use my super secret method of balancing (golf balls).
Dustin and I are probably going out somewhere tommorow, if anybody wants to go, let me know.



I went to les with a set of brand new tires to mount and they would not do it because I did not buy from them..........Oh!, and never will. What ASSHATS.

[kairo]

give aaron the business. he hooked me up with my balance and stuff, and they're fast

[Scrub]

yup i agree give aaron the business they do good work FAST!

[xjmoser]

Dustin and I are probably going out somewhere tommorow, if anybody wants to go, let me know.



where and when?

[PizzILLA]

:lamer: :mad: :blahblah: :mad: Pathetic, we need some of Matilida's sugar cookies and a :grouphug:
my moms already on it!

[PizzILLA]

my posts and arrogance are in a joking manor your arrogance is how you really are :wave: !! as far as buggys vs XJs...just busten balls...you seen the sh!t box i drive!! and for the first time we agree on something...i'm sure you have been called worse by better,but i'd be willin to bet they did'nt have the ghetto vocab skills i possess FO SHO ;) !!
REPRESENT!!, nukka

[JOE THE TOE]

WOW,I missed alot today....BUT I WAS OUT WHEEL'IN @8:30 IN THE MORNING FOCKERS & I SHOWED UP WHEN AND WHERE I SAID I WOULD ON TIME!

[JOE THE TOE]

BY THE WAY XJMOSER'S RIG IS PRETTY SWEET & AT LEAST HE SHOWED UP .....B!TCHES! :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :yup:

[throttleboy]

WOW,I missed alot today....BUT I WAS OUT WHEEL'IN @8:30 IN THE MORNING FOCKERS & I SHOWED UP WHEN AND WHERE I SAID I WOULD ON TIME!
spoon is NEVER on time...you need to tell him to be there at least an hour before the real meeting time :yup: !! as for me i'm out the game and ridin b!tch for awile.... Mtv called and they want to pimp my ride......i wonder if they got spinnas fo hummer wheels :scratchhe ??

[rusty_tlc]

I would agree that the guys who have time and money invested in their rigs are not the problem. These are also the guys who aren't going to get blind drunk on the trail and mess up their rig.

At any rate the greenies put everyone with a four wheel drive that uses it for anything other than driving around town in the same class.

So what exactly is the image you want for our passtime?

Edit: Didn't realize there was a whole other page when I posted this. You guys were busy.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

BY THE WAY XJMOSER'S RIG IS PRETTY SWEET & AT LEAST HE SHOWED UP .....B!TCHES! :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :yup:
Joe you should sell that green thing and get an XJ!!!I am sure one wheelin trip with it you could have it lookin like a stomped on BUDWEISER CAN in no time :yup:

[PizzILLA]

heres one more vote for 'les schwab sucks'. i went to replace one of my toyos today.. $58 fawkin bucks for a tire thats under warranty for the first 25% of tread wear. ive only had the damn things for like 2 months.. whats the deal. its a hard rubber compound so theres no way i could have already ripped off over 25% of the tread... theyre a bunch of asshats...

thats only the most recent experiences with them. i cant wait to get rid of those toyos just because i dont want to have anything to do with them

[PizzILLA]

WOW,I missed alot today....BUT I WAS OUT WHEEL'IN @8:30 IN THE MORNING FOCKERS & I SHOWED UP WHEN AND WHERE I SAID I WOULD ON TIME!



i agree... i even sacrificed an axle shaft to get back to the meeting area on time! thats true heart and spirit on keeping a schedule

[Sauce]

i agree... i even sacrificed an axle shaft to get back to the meeting area on time! thats true heart and spirit on keeping a schedule
wow PJ, you want a fawking cookie? Why didn't you even show up to your own challenge?

[PizzILLA]

wow PJ, you want a fawking cookie? Why didn't you even show up to your own challenge?
something like that

[JOE THE TOE]

I need a donor XJ.....come-awn someone,anyone. :hyper: :eek: :D :yup:

[crackmonkey]

something like that
You still didn't answer the question..... scarred I suspect.......

[Sauce]

You still didn't answer the question..... scarred I suspect.......
I think the proper term is skeered, you need to go back to skool and learn how to talk proper ebonics :slap:

[crackmonkey]

I think the proper term is skeered, you need to go back to skool and learn how to talk proper ebonics :slap:
My apologies, I stand corrected. :bowdown:
I guess I should have said-----> SKEERED SH!TLESS!

[PizzILLA]

You still didn't answer the question..... scarred I suspect.......


well see what happened was ....

[throttleboy]

Why didn't you even show up to your own challenge?
he did'nt want to get clowned in front of his B/F by a full size :yup: !!

[PizzILLA]

he did'nt want to get clowned in front of his B/F by a full size :yup: !!
i had a circle jerking session that i just COULD NOT MISS!!!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

I Heard you were the PIVOT man.And A GOOD one at that!!!

[PizzILLA]

I Heard you were the PIVOT man.And A GOOD one at that!!!
you should know... remember last weekend ??

[throttleboy]

I Heard you were the PIVOT man.And A GOOD one at that!!!
now you went and got peice of fruit all worked up again :disagree: !!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

now you went and got peice of fruit all worked up again :disagree: !!
I dont think so I think he went home cursed being CRACK MONKEYS offspring,and got him a WAAAH BURGER and some FRENCH CRYES and clicked his rubie slippers together and chanted F------the FEARSOME FOUR,F-----THEM!!!!(if he stayed out of "HARDCORE LAND" we might be able to leave him and his alternative NATION alone)But then again,ever board needs its token gay guy???? :rofl2: <-------PJ trying to cool his cornholio after a trail "RIDE"

[the ORIGINAL Storm Trooper]

i had a circle jerking session that i just COULD NOT MISS!!!


wtf.... so what is the deal with this pizza guy??? i thought you guys were just giving him a hard time... is he really a :pbj: butt pluger?

butt pluger = :thumbsdow

[86xjfor8]

wtf.... so what is the deal with this pizza guy??? i thought you guys were just giving him a hard time... is he really a :pbj: butt pluger?

butt pluger = :thumbsdow
Why don't you go wheelin with him alone some time and find out

[SPOON-EAZY]

wtf.... so what is the deal with this pizza guy??? i thought you guys were just giving him a hard time... is he really a :pbj: butt pluger?

butt pluger = :thumbsdow All right Turd Trooper ya' flippin' newbie and any other newbies :flip-off: :D :flip-off: Welcome to the Ghetto!!!! Now I see we have just reached 200 members here and I realize that many of you newtards don't understand the whole Pizza Flamer story or the whole HARDCORE vs. *****core battle that has taken place on this board. I suggest that if you want to play in the Ghetto, you do yourself a favor and search for Pizza Flamers posts, read them and take a count of how many times he talks about poopchutes,bungholes,circle jerks and other various homosexual acts and you will then come to realize why we refer to him as Pizza Flamer, Pizza Fag, Rainbow Jeep, piece-o-fruit, the Butt Pirate of Steves Loop, Pizza Queer, and various other names befitting for his "alternative lifestyle". Also go back and read the "Where is this trail thread" Parts 1&2. This historical thread will help you to identify the personalities of many of the members on this board and help you to further understand the XJ Nations wrath and anger towards the HARDCORE playaz on this board. And remember, when posting in the Ghetto be SURE to use ghetto-speak because the XJ guys absolutely love it!!!!! :yup: Thank you, and once again welcome to the Ghetto :lamer: :ban: :ban: :ban: :ban:

[Dennis]

Thank you, and once again welcome to the Ghetto


I'll make this post an official introduction to the "hardcore forum". :rock:

[SPOON-EAZY]

I'll make this post an official introduction to the "hardcore forum". :rock: Mucho gracias Senior Denis!!!!! :D

[MR.ROCKAPE]

IM BUMPIN IT BACK UP BECAUSE ITS FUNNY....JUST READ THE FIRST TWO PAGES.......I THINK WE CORRUPTED SCRUB.....HE WAS A HARDCORE HATER BACK THEN......OR MAYBE JUST A SPY NOW????

[Connect]

Couldn't of been that good, where the hell was I???

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Couldn't of been that good, where the hell was I???

I THINK YOU WERE THE FULL AWN XJ NATION MEMBER AND A CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE HARDCORE SECTION HATERS CLUB.....YOU AND ERICSXJ!!!!

[SPOON-EAZY]

AWW YEAH, THE GOOD OLD DAYS. HARDCORE VS. bitchcore. ROCKAPE, DO YOU HAVE THE "WHERE IS THIS TRAIL" THREAD??? THAT WAS THE START OF THE WAR. renoxj.com WAS CHANGED FOREVER WITH THAT THREAD!!!!! I BET SOME OF THOSE xj CLOWNS ARE STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT SHIT!!!!!

[MR.ROCKAPE]

AWW YEAH, THE GOOD OLD DAYS. HARDCORE VS. bitchcore. ROCKAPE, DO YOU HAVE THE "WHERE IS THIS TRAIL" THREAD??? THAT WAS THE START OF THE WAR. renoxj.com WAS CHANGED FOREVER WITH THAT THREAD!!!!! I BET SOME OF THOSE xj CLOWNS ARE STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT SHIT!!!!!

SORRY BRO....SOME OF THE ORIGINAL CLASSICS WERE KEPT!!!:frown:

ALL OF THE WHERE IS THIS TRAIL THREADS AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL THREAD MIKE S STARTED FOR THE ROCKAPE CHALLENGE!!!!GUESS DENIS NEEDS THOSE TO REMEMBER HOW HARDCORE ONE LITTLE SECTION WAS.....

[jeeper89]

AWW YEAH, THE GOOD OLD DAYS. HARDCORE VS. bitchcore. ROCKAPE, DO YOU HAVE THE "WHERE IS THIS TRAIL" THREAD??? THAT WAS THE START OF THE WAR. renoxj.com WAS CHANGED FOREVER WITH THAT THREAD!!!!! I BET SOME OF THOSE xj CLOWNS ARE STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT SHIT!!!!!
this??????????
part one http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614
part two http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636
part three http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650
part four?? http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=653

[BIG BLUE]

this??????????
part one http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614
part two http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636
part three http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650
part four?? http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=653

So the real question is did anyone ever find that trail? It looks cool. part one was onto something but threads 2...3...and 4 are proof that the Rockgods was a neccesity!!!!

[SPOON-EAZY]

So the real question is did anyone ever find that trail? It looks cool. I WENT LOOKING FOR IT A FEW TIMES. NEVER FOUND ANYTHING. ITS IN YOUR HOOD SOMEWHERE BB, FIND IT FOR US.

[BIG BLUE]

there looks like there are some pretty good ranges out behind me...once I get me jeep back from getting my cage welded I plan to explore!!!!:Big Grin:

[BIG BLUE]

I love to reread this thread from time to time...I especially like Dennis first post!!! If he only knew. LOL

[Connect]

I think this trail is in the area of the Giants Throne, looking at the color of the rocks and the vegetation. South side of 80 between lovelock and fernley :)

[wix]

Hey sweetie..... I'm only 14 minutes away. Maybe we can LOVE together at the Moonrocks.........

Thats funny.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Come AWN Denis,the ROCKAPE challenge thread was all about talkin crap from its first post,so you lock it and post this thread???Look at all the traffic THAT thread gets,do you think that this board would get this much action without a little drama??
Before Throttleboy,Joe the toe,Crackmonkey,Spoon and myself(Rockape) showed up here,the threads were about eating hamburgers,finding out whos ride you saw driving down the street,bronco canyon and showing off the latest modification you payed someone else to do.
So how about our own HARDCORE SECTION!!!And we will all promise to not infect your board about PJs alt. lifestyle,CrackMonkeys liberty wheeling adventures,Spoons mad rollovers,Throttleboys constant carnage(or his new buggy build),Joe the toes constant trying to get someone to "wheel with him",And my constant ability to stir the crap.Of coarse the hardcore section might become your most watched section,most posted section,most pics section and down right fun for us SCREEN WARRIORS!!!
SO WHAT DO YA THINK???How about a thread containing a POLL and lets see how much "EVERYBODY HATES"the dog and pony show the above offenders have taken this board to..................dont be PATHETIC :rofl: :rofl:

NOW IF I WASNT RUBBING MY CRYSTAL BALLS AND TELLING THE FUTURE HERE^^^ ......THIS THREAD IS A CLASSIC AND THE REAL BEGINNING OF THE END FOR RENO 4X4 AS IT WAS!!!!NOW THEY JUST ARE TRG WANNA BEE'Z!!!

[SPOON-EAZY]

YEAH GOOD TIMES :gapteeth:. THE FUNNY THING IS I REMEMBER THE FEARSOME FOUR AT THE BEGINNING NOT EVEN STIRRING SHIT UP WITH THOSE CLOWNS BUT THEY STILL HATED ON US ANYWAY. I THINK I WAS A MEMBER ON THAT SITE FOR ONLY 2 WEEKS BEFORE THOSE KOOKS WERE BRANDING US AS THE MOST TRAIL-WRECKING, LITTERING, DRUNKEN HEATHENS WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI. :confused: I THINK THE 35-INCH TIRE HIERARCHY OVER THERE GOT THEIR EGOS SQUASHED WHEN THE "EVIL BUGGY GUYS" DIDN'T BOW DOWN TO THEM LIKE THE REST OF THEIR MALE HIGH SCHOOL AGE GROUPIES. reno gunsXpolitics-------->"PATHETIC":mullet::mullet::mullet: