JUST AN FYI.....LITTLE SLUICE GOING AWAY!!

[rusty_tlc]

What the largest part of the people on board with these kind of things don't realize is that it's like censorship, there's no such thing as a little censorship. It's the same with land access, close the trails to one group that is already unpopular, the next step is close it to a few other groups, then pretty soon everything is protected wilderness and you can't even walk there without a permit.

Originally Posted by MR.ROCKAPE

I SEE YOUR POINT....BUT I FEEL IF WE JUST LET THE GREENIES GET THEIR WAY WITHOUT A REAL FIGHT, WHO IS TO SAY IT WONT BE ALL KINDS OF TRAILS NEXT???

PERSONALLY I JUST DONT GET LIKE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO.....I CAN MAKE MY OWN DESISIONS...AND DONT LIKE THEM MADE FOR ME....JUST BECAUSE THEY THREATEN A LAWSUIT.......IF WE LAY DOWN IT MAKES US LOOK LIKE SHEEP ANY GROUP CAN WALK ON AND HERD INTO "THIS ONE LITTLE SPOT"...THAT THEY LETUS HAVE!!!!

That's okay to a point, but what if you decide to drive on the left side of 395? Making your own decisions is fine until it impacts others. The trail is a group resource, how it is used should be a group decision made by people who use it NOT by a group of people who have never got further away from their car than the outhouse at the scenic overlook. As long as we use the trail in a way that does not impact others everything is groovy with me.

[MR.ROCKAPE]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

What the largest part of the people on board with these kind of things don't realize is that it's like censorship, there's no such thing as a little censorship. It's the same with land access, close the trails to one group that is already unpopular, the next step is close it to a few other groups, then pretty soon everything is protected wilderness and you can't even walk there without a permit.



That's okay to a point, but what if you decide to drive on the left side of 395? Making your own decisions is fine until it impacts others. The trail is a group resource, how it is used should be a group decision made by people who use it NOT by a group of people who have never got further away from their car than the outhouse at the scenic overlook. As long as we use the trail in a way that does not impact others everything is groovy with me.

IM NOT SAYING I WOULDNT FOLLOW THE RULES AS THEY ARE ALREADY THERE....ITS THE FACT THE RULES GET CHANGED BY ONE GROUP DECIDING THEY ARE SAVING US FROM OURSELVES.....

[chicago]

One thing is CERTAIN...there is no shortage of stupidity, and some of the folks that Ive seen in the few times Ive been on the Rubicon have been just OBLIVIOUS to any kind of environmental respect, or courtesy. Its not just THERE obviously.

Even though this outcome is a compromise, I get what Rockape is saying. It opens the door to further closures and any victory for the greenies is BAD NEWS for the wheelers.

However, I cant help but say that the STUPID IGNORANT FUCKS they make the example of, are ruining it for EVERYONE.
I just dont GET IT! The principal is easy enough to understand. Weve all heard it since we were kids...."CLEAN UP AFTER YOURSELF!"

The world IS NOT YOUR TOILET when youre wheeing!:pissed:

[RokZJ]

Myself and mightyram went to the springs a few years back on quads for a day trip. As we were going down Cadillac hill we came upon a Toyota with a broken steering arm the guys with the toy were working on it. Putting a new arm on. We offered our help as the trail was blocked. A few mins later a Sammeri (KIDS) was coming up the hill to us , as they approached they were tossing beer cans out on to the trail. Then started to yell at the Toyota guys for blocking the trail. No courtesy. Needless to say people like that is what sewing things up for the rest of us.
I have been going up there sense the late 80's.

[chicago]

Originally Posted by RokZJ

Myself and mightyram went to the springs a few years back on quads for a day trip. As we were going down Cadillac hill we came upon a Toyota with a broken steering arm the guys with the toy were working on it. Putting a new arm on. We offered our help as the trail was blocked. A few mins later a Sammeri (KIDS) was coming up the hill to us , as they approached they were tossing beer cans out on to the trail. Then started to yell at the Toyota guys for blocking the trail. No courtesy. Needless to say people like that is what sewing things up for the rest of us.
I have been going up there sense the late 80's.

Those ass holes needed a LUG WRENCH to the head!
Ive NEVER understood the people who come up to a BROKEN RIG on the trail and expect THEM to move. Id have knocked the fucker out!
We were on the trail 2 weekends ago and our group had been pulling off the trail coming off the slabs to allow for ONE RIG to pass...This ass hole decides that the tail gunner wasnt moving fast enough and runs RIGHT UP to the side of his door. He was OBVIOUSLY pulling OFF THE TRAIL. Didnt say thanks, NOTHING! Some punk ass kid.

[MIGHTYRAM97]

Originally Posted by chicago

Those ass holes needed a LUG WRENCH to the head!
Ive NEVER understood the people who come up to a BROKEN RIG on the trail and expect THEM to move. Id have knocked the fucker out!
We were on the trail 2 weekends ago and our group had been pulling off the trail coming off the slabs to allow for ONE RIG to pass...This ass hole decides that the tail gunner wasnt moving fast enough and runs RIGHT UP to the side of his door. He was OBVIOUSLY pulling OFF THE TRAIL. Didnt say thanks, NOTHING! Some punk ass kid.

Thats the attitude that closes our trails, the kids that do this need to be taught trail etiquette, either politely or by force....